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Post by Jinkxx on Jun 19, 2021 17:55:17 GMT
So I’ve read a lot of comments that you guys are vaccinated or have 1 shot to go. How is it? I mean I hesitate a bit myself. I’m not scared of needles but it’s more the vaccin itself. Is it enough? Do we have to get it next year again? What are the effects on long terms (like 20+ years from now)? It was created so super fast I’m a bit scared. Usually vaccins take like 10+ years to create. Is it because the whole world was focusing on this? My body is exhausted itself so how will it react to a vaccine? I don’t know… I don’t get my mind calm enough to think what it’s best. I’m just scared. I’ve had my first dose of Pfizer and it was fine, just a painful arm for a few days. But yeah I do feel the same as you - I wasn’t sure about getting it and I’m still not sure how I feel about it tbh. We have holidays abroad booked for next year so I kind of felt like I had to get it to be able to travel, but I’m not completely comfortable with it to be honest, for the same reasons you said. Like I’m sure it’s safe for most people, but the reality is we don’t know the long term effects (like we didn’t know about the blood clots with AZ before it was rolled out to the masses!), and as I’m fairly young I do feel like my risk of Covid is pretty low, and the unknown about the potential future effects of the vaccine is on my mind a little. But i just kind of saw it as I’m 29, I want to be able to continue to travel in the next few years because that’s what I enjoy, so i just felt like I had to go ahead and get it. If I didn’t want to travel I wouldn’t be in any rush to be vaccinated to be honest. Exactly, I have a feeling I have to do it to travel and go to concerts and other countries and such. I think I will have the same in mind that I’m not fully sure about vaccinating when I decide to do so. If I don’t get the vaccine it will be difficult to do those things. You have to test yourself 40 hours before an event. I think those tests will be expensive, you have to install an app to show the event your result and such. That’s also a lot of work for busy people. Imagine you have 2 concerts in a week you have to get two tests because the other one isn’t valid anymore since you will cross the 40 hours timelapse. But it’s good to know I’m not the only one who is thinking that way. It seems like most of my friends have decided to make an appointment for their first dose. All Pfizer or Moderna tho.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Jun 20, 2021 14:49:25 GMT
I’ve had my first dose of Pfizer and it was fine, just a painful arm for a few days. But yeah I do feel the same as you - I wasn’t sure about getting it and I’m still not sure how I feel about it tbh. We have holidays abroad booked for next year so I kind of felt like I had to get it to be able to travel, but I’m not completely comfortable with it to be honest, for the same reasons you said. Like I’m sure it’s safe for most people, but the reality is we don’t know the long term effects (like we didn’t know about the blood clots with AZ before it was rolled out to the masses!), and as I’m fairly young I do feel like my risk of Covid is pretty low, and the unknown about the potential future effects of the vaccine is on my mind a little. But i just kind of saw it as I’m 29, I want to be able to continue to travel in the next few years because that’s what I enjoy, so i just felt like I had to go ahead and get it. If I didn’t want to travel I wouldn’t be in any rush to be vaccinated to be honest. Exactly, I have a feeling I have to do it to travel and go to concerts and other countries and such. I think I will have the same in mind that I’m not fully sure about vaccinating when I decide to do so. If I don’t get the vaccine it will be difficult to do those things. You have to test yourself 40 hours before an event. I think those tests will be expensive, you have to install an app to show the event your result and such. That’s also a lot of work for busy people. Imagine you have 2 concerts in a week you have to get two tests because the other one isn’t valid anymore since you will cross the 40 hours timelapse. But it’s good to know I’m not the only one who is thinking that way. It seems like most of my friends have decided to make an appointment for their first dose. All Pfizer or Moderna tho. I understand your concern. I googled "how do we know there will be no long term side effects of covid vaccine?" There is a ton of information available. It kept me occupied for many hours. I'm still reading. The more I read, the more comfortable I am with my decision to get the vaccine. My only recommendation is, read as much as you can.
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Post by biggerwow on Jun 20, 2021 15:28:30 GMT
I also think about the new strain and if the vaccine protects us from that one too. With the reopen, things are becoming "normal" again but I feel like it's too normal too soon.
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Post by Jinkxx on Jun 21, 2021 8:51:31 GMT
I also think about the new strain and if the vaccine protects us from that one too. With the reopen, things are becoming "normal" again but I feel like it's too normal too soon. As much as I'd like that we are back to normal it seems too soon for me too. In Holland next week everything is almost back to normal and I'm kinda scared of that. I think I'm still like: Stand back 1,5 meter from me please! Uncle Bob : Yes I will. There is so much information I was like: where to begin with doing my own research?
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Post by biggerwow on Jun 29, 2021 7:02:56 GMT
So just as masks were gone, they're back again. My county is urging us to wear masks indoors to fight the delta variant. Since vaccinated people have been affected by the variant. I wonder if we'll have to get more doses or what's gonna happen.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 29, 2021 12:13:33 GMT
As far as the vaccine itself goes, I suppose it depends which one you get, but overall it is one of the safest vaccines ever developed. They had a template, so to speak, to start from similar vaccines, that’s why it didn’t take that long to develop. It went through the same trial and approval process as any other vaccine. The difference is that they sped up the process, like all the “red tape” bureaucratic parts, NOT the research and testing parts. I know all this because my university has a forum back in like Jan/Feb with medical experts who revealed all this info and answered questions.
Everyone is going to react differently and it also depends which vaccine you get. Arm pain at the site of injection is normal and goes away in a few days. You may feel tired, headache, nausea, fever, etc. You may feel nothing. My fiancé had Pfizer and had no effects aside from arm pain. I had Moderna, the first dose I felt very tired for a few days and had to nap. The second dose I felt nothing aside from arm pain. The Johnson and Johnson was found to have cases of blood clots, but this is a rare occurrence. Unfortunately that is sort of the gamble with vaccines. It’s not going to be 100% effective and there’s always going to be that one case or few cases out of literal millions where serious side effects occur, but this is usually rare. If you’re really concerned, I’d say just ask your doc if it’s safe for you to get it. I can’t tell anyone to get it, but IMO getting the vaccine is probably a lot better than not getting it. Not just for you, but everyone around you. And if you want things to “get back to normal” and do the things you enjoy again without restrictions, getting vaccinated is the only way we’re going to be able to do that. This vaccine is no different than the dozens of other vaccines that exist that people have been taking for years (hepatitis, measles, small pox, tuberculosis, etc. - all those are required for us in America before going to public school)
I suppose it’s not yet known how effective the vaccines are against the delta variant, but you have a MUCH better chance of not getting it, transmitting it, or getting super sick of you do get it, if you are already vaccinated. From the research I’ve read, though it may have changed in the recent days since I read it, the vaccine should protect against the variants as well, or at least you won’t get as sick. Like not sick enough to be in ICU. It’s the people who aren’t vaccinated that are the ones in real danger and at the highest risk. I will never understand people with this Superman mentality who think their immune system is just naturally strong enough to fight it off like lmao no you’re not
My recommendation is to get it honestly, but you can always check with your doc first if you’re concerned due to other health issues you might have. And I would get Pfizer, Moderna, or whatever the highest efficacy one you have available is. Sure we don’t know what the long term effects are of getting this vaccine, and we’ll probably have to get it every year like the flu shot, but that is the risk I guess because COVID is relatively new and it will take years to really know everything about how it works. I think you just have to weigh the risks - is it riskier to get a vaccine that is 95% protective and has some mild side effects in the majority of millions of cases, or is it riskier to get sick with COVID, possibly end up in the ICU and transmit it to others, thereby reintroducing it into our ecosystem because not enough people got vaccinated?
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Post by eismann on Jul 19, 2021 9:07:53 GMT
Seeing what a crazy mess the UK is right now with opening everything, no mandatory masks or distance - in 2 weeks we will have high numbers in Germany again. So my thoughts are with everyone in the UK, I hope you stay save and that all of you are already vaccinated.
I have never been a fan of capitalism and I believe it kills the planet and also every sense of solidarity between people. But still I'm shocked how reckless, heartless and ignorant politicians all over the world (but mostly rich and so called 'developed' countries) handled this crisis. They do not care about people, they care about money and that should be clear to everyone now. Germany is a mess of corruption, abusing and exploiting the 'essential' workers and stop poorer countries from getting the vaccination.
I'm so sick of it.
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Post by katy on Jul 19, 2021 20:07:41 GMT
Seeing what a crazy mess the UK is right now with opening everything, no mandatory masks or distance - in 2 weeks we will have high numbers in Germany again. So my thoughts are with everyone in the UK, I hope you stay save and that all of you are already vaccinated. I have never been a fan of capitalism and I believe it kills the planet and also every sense of solidarity between people. But still I'm shocked how reckless, heartless and ignorant politicians all over the world (but mostly rich and so called 'developed' countries) handled this crisis. They do not care about people, they care about money and that should be clear to everyone now. Germany is a mess of corruption, abusing and exploiting the 'essential' workers and stop poorer countries from getting the vaccination. I'm so sick of it. I’m in the U.K. and honestly really pleased we’re lifting most restrictions. Covid is never going to go away. Cases are up but hospital admissions are low, our vaccination programme has been a huge success, its summer so hospitals are quieter, the school holidays are just about to start. If not now, when? Every country will have a huge fluctuation of cases as they lift each level of restriction - as long as hospitals can cope, which at the moment ours can, I don’t see any reason to keep delaying. We’ll be living with Covid forever now, we can’t keep nightclubs, music venues, theatres etc closed forever.
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Post by delmatico on Jul 19, 2021 21:37:53 GMT
I hope UK will succeed with this plan so other states could try it also
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 19, 2021 22:04:11 GMT
Seeing what a crazy mess the UK is right now with opening everything, no mandatory masks or distance - in 2 weeks we will have high numbers in Germany again. So my thoughts are with everyone in the UK, I hope you stay save and that all of you are already vaccinated. I have never been a fan of capitalism and I believe it kills the planet and also every sense of solidarity between people. But still I'm shocked how reckless, heartless and ignorant politicians all over the world (but mostly rich and so called 'developed' countries) handled this crisis. They do not care about people, they care about money and that should be clear to everyone now. Germany is a mess of corruption, abusing and exploiting the 'essential' workers and stop poorer countries from getting the vaccination. I'm so sick of it. I’m in the U.K. and honestly really pleased we’re lifting most restrictions. Covid is never going to go away. Cases are up but hospital admissions are low, our vaccination programme has been a huge success, its summer so hospitals are quieter, the school holidays are just about to start. If not now, when? Every country will have a huge fluctuation of cases as they lift each level of restriction - as long as hospitals can cope, which at the moment ours can, I don’t see any reason to keep delaying. We’ll be living with Covid forever now, we can’t keep nightclubs, music venues, theatres etc closed forever. I have to agree. Frankly I'm glad mask restrictions went away. I got tired of always having to remember to bring one everywhere I went, even if I was just going down the hall to the laundry room in my apartment complex. I kind of agree that I think COVID is just going to be a never ending thing - there is always going to be some new variant or something that crops up. We may have to get the vaccine each year or get booster shots. It's a thing that is part of our lives like many other diseases are. As it is, it's going to take years for the economy to recover and many people have suffered great financial losses that they are either still struggling to recover from, or were forced to shut down their business or get financial help from the government, etc. It isn't sustainable to have people out of work this long or keep things closed. Yes, saving lives should take precedence above all else, but at a certain point, we are going to be stuck with much longer term issues like a suffering economy and people on the verge of getting evicted than some illness that has a 99% survival rate and that now has a vaccine, some with as much as a 95% efficacy rate. At one point does keeping everything closed and people out of work or shut in their home just become completely unsustainable and causing more problems down the road? Unfortunately there are cases of people getting the delta variant even if they're fully vaccinated. I'm not sure what more anyone can be expected to do unless we enforce lockdowns again like we had in 2020 and realistically that's never going to happen again. Not when you have allowed people to go maskless and gather in crowds and travel again. You will not be able to convince people to restrict themselves like that again. I think it also just depends on where you live. In my state over half of all adults have received at least 1 dose of the vaccine. It's mostly in areas where vaccination rates are low that cases are rising again. I work from home and don't go out much anyway except to places like the store and church. My fiance and I have both been vaccinated for months. The delta variant is a concern of mine but well... like I said there isn't much you can do if you're already vaccinated unless you want to wear a mask everywhere for the rest of your life and never leave the house. Which most people aren't willing to do. All you can do really is get yourself vaccinated and hope that if you still get sick, the vaccine will be enough to prevent you from going to the hospital. And maybe don't go anywhere you don't have to or restrict traveling internationally until we know more about the variants.
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Post by Jinkxx on Jul 20, 2021 10:13:02 GMT
Safety with Pfizer dropped to like 34% I've read here. It isn't enough to prevent you from getting sick. You might need a third dose. And when you're vaccinated you still can infect others and also you can get the Delta variant. The Delta spreads quicker but is mild and symptoms are like you're having a cold they said here in The Netherlands. The company I work for does research on medicine/vaccines and such and we still have to research a vaccine so I'll wait when there is more information. The vaccines that people are getting now like Janssen isn't great either. People are having blood clots in their brain, no thank you. Ofcourse not everyone but I think it's risky. AstraZeneca left overs are given to poor countries.
They re-opened everything way too quickly here and the infections raise to such a high level that some things are closed again. You don't have to wear a mask anymore but I don't know... but I'm not vaccinating myself right away since I know there are a lot of things they still have to figure out. There aren't crowded places I need to go in the meantime such as concerts so I can wait a little longer. If I'll do it, I do it for concerts and going on holiday but that isn't the case now. And we are in the red zone so artists will not come here for concerts I think. Would be stupid to do when concerts are not allowed now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 11:29:03 GMT
Safety with Pfizer dropped to like 34% I've read here. It isn't enough to prevent you from getting sick. You might need a third dose. And when you're vaccinated you still can infect others and also you can get the Delta variant. The Delta spreads quicker but is mild and symptoms are like you're having a cold they said here in The Netherlands. The company I work for does research on medicine/vaccines and such and we still have to research a vaccine so I'll wait when there is more information. The vaccines that people are getting now like Janssen isn't great either. People are having blood clots in their brain, no thank you. Ofcourse not everyone but I think it's risky. AstraZeneca left overs are given to poor countries. They re-opened everything way too quickly here and the infections raise to such a high level that some things are closed again. You don't have to wear a mask anymore but I don't know... but I'm not vaccinating myself right away since I know there are a lot of things they still have to figure out. There aren't crowded places I need to go in the meantime such as concerts so I can wait a little longer. If I'll do it, I do it for concerts and going on holiday but that isn't the case now. And we are in the red zone so artists will not come here for concerts I think. Would be stupid to do when concerts are not allowed now. Your numbers are incorrect. Pfizer is still protecting 95% of the people that got both shots. There is no evidence that vaccinated people are spreading the virus. And the few people that are considered “break through” cases ( they are getting the Delta strain after being vaccinated) are having mild symptoms. The best thing that anyone can do is get vaccinated. Then you stop being part of the problem.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 20, 2021 12:21:55 GMT
Right - I can’t speak on what countries outside the US have available to them, but at least in the US the vaccines we have are safe to get. There’s always going to be rare cases of severe side effects, but it’s a few out of millions. If you’ve got some kind of underlying condition you think might make it unsafe ask your doc. The worst thing anyone can do is remain unvaccinated. It’s still overall better to get it than not. Vaccines are never 100% effective. But getting vaccinated still decreases your chances of getting sick a lot more than not being vaccinated at all. It also helps your symptoms if you do still get sick, they won’t be as severe. We wouldn’t be having the issues we’re having if people would just get the vaccine. The longer people remain unvaccinated, the longer it’s going to take to eradicate the virus. Those who are unvaccinated are the ones at highest risk and are the ones most likely to spread the virus. No matter what, you’re in a better position if you’re fully vaccinated than not at all.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Jul 20, 2021 15:18:33 GMT
A recent survey showed that 96% of all U.S. doctors are fully vaccinated. I think that says a lot. I know there are many people that think the vaccine was developed too quickly. The fact is, they have been working on the mRNA technology for 40 years. The technology has matured to the point that Pfizer had their formula done only 48 hours after receiving the dna sequence.
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Post by eismann on Jul 20, 2021 15:47:40 GMT
I will never understand why people* say they are happy that the masks are gone because they were annoyed by them - while we still have thousands of daily new infections, hundreds of people dead or still fighting for their lives in the hospital, no plan for keeping children save etc. I could never be happy about it. I would wear this mask for years if it could stop the spread and give researchers the time to find further solutions.
To open everything while other countries struggle to vaccinate their people is terrible imo.
(*not directed at you Bogo, I have heard the same from many people here)
I'm really happy and relieved that I will get my second shot tomorrow. I haven't had any bad experience with it, same with my friends. All of them are fine and relieved to be vaccinated. I would encourage everyone to get the vaccination, it's our only solution right now.
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