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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 15, 2021 23:55:10 GMT
^ You're right about GF but the music video does cross a line, where she is harassing this poor girl who seemingly hasn't done anything wrong.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Jan 16, 2021 0:01:47 GMT
I don't think Avril was literally saying her boyfriend drugged her in Smile. I think it was just a play on the common phrase "what's in this drink?" that people use when they get more drunk than they intended to and blame the drink as if it's stronger than usual rather than them just having had too much. It's the same in Baby it's Cold Outside. Avril just gets blackout drunk, from drinking too much and not being drugged, and can't remember getting his name tattooed on her. Something that really did happen to her around that time. I just don't think she was aware enough to realise there was another interpretation to that line and her kind of clunky phrasing would sound bad. I agree EBBY is just about venting at some girl who seemingly stole her boyfriend. It's a heat of the moment thing and I don't think people should pretend to never get mad or vent just so they seem unproblematic. That's not healthy. EBBY was about capturing that feeling. GF is worse but also kind of just a fantasy to me. She likes a guy and doesn't like his gf, thinking she would be a better match for him (a perfectly human feeling) but I can't recall the lyrics suggesting she's actually doing anything about it. I could be wrong but I remember it more as a fantasy like this guy is going to realise how great she is and dump his gf for Avril but not that Avril is going to do anything to cross a line and make that happen. Oh! I didn't even thought about that expression in english lol. That's even better than mine and you don't have to twist your back 180º for it xD Yes, the GF lyrics aren't necesarilly bad...most people point out the musc video in which yeah, she does take actions to the point of bullying that girl LOL xD Mean Girls 2.0. But as I said, it's just fiction. People sometimes take things too seriously.
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Post by katy on Jan 16, 2021 0:50:21 GMT
As I said, this is what “new wave feminism” is. Basically women are allowed to do whatever they want without consequences, apparently this is what feminism is supposed to mean these days. But I’m not allowed to say that, or else I “look bad.” . I’m on my phone but just imagine there’s a gif of someone clapping their hands here
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Post by Ino on Jan 16, 2021 1:03:53 GMT
Yeah the Girlfriend's MV (not the song) is probably the most "problematic" thing she's ever done. But once again, she's just playing a character about her least personal song ever so... I will keep both enjoy watching it and Taylor's You Belong With Me (wich is the version where the good girl wins)!
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Post by MyHappySk8er on Jan 16, 2021 2:16:03 GMT
OMG that trash cover of Sk8er Boi. I hate zoomers so much. OK Boomer! she seems to put an entire guy's worth to his ability to make a girl cums "YOU MAKE ME SO HOT! YOU MAKE ME WANNA DROP!" I mean, "he was a boy, she was a girl"? She really couldn't have made it more obvious. As I said, this is what “new wave feminism” is. Basically women are allowed to do whatever they want without consequences, apparently this is what feminism is supposed to mean these days. Personally speaking, I've gotten unwanted hugs, unwanted advances, followed to my house, and my ass either pinched or fingered(can't tell which. Happened quite a few years ago). It's pretty fucking annoying/gross because so far, I just don't really see myself with anyone. Every time I think about my future, I just think of myself with a good-paying job and coming home to peace and quiet on my computer(Nobody's Home LOL). It's quite annoying to get accused of being gay, a creep, an incel, a simp, and shipped, etc. every time I talk to women like I would to any man. The only thing that would be different when I talk to women is that I'm more likely to talk about Avril.
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Post by biggerwow on Jan 16, 2021 6:33:41 GMT
Ashnikko, this is how you do it.
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Post by Alias on Jan 16, 2021 8:24:20 GMT
God this song is awful, way to ruin a classic. That's 2 minutes I'll never get back.
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Post by NowISee on Jan 16, 2021 11:03:13 GMT
I don’t get the song. Whereas in Avril’s song the sk8er boi had a crush for the ballet girl, but he wasn’t good enough for her. But finally he found someone who could see beyond his clothes and they fell in love.
Here it’s portrayed like the sk8er boi would be mentally ill - and how dare he dream of relationship with a such an independent woman.
For me the sk8er boi is such an innocent culprit for this kind of drama. And because of that, the ballet person sounds like a dick. He is so better off her.
That leads me to think that this version is very problematic. If anything, the song should’ve been made in a way it doesn’t push anyone down. But if it has to push someone, for my ears it would have been better for her to attack the singer/storyteller rathen than the sk8ter boi.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 16, 2021 13:47:41 GMT
I don’t get the song. Whereas in Avril’s song the sk8er boi had a crush for the ballet girl, but he wasn’t good enough for her. But finally he found someone who could see beyond his clothes and they fell in love. Here it’s portrayed like the sk8er boi would be mentally ill - and how dare he dream of relationship with a such an independent woman. For me the sk8er boi is such an innocent culprit for this kind of drama. And because of that, the ballet person sounds like a dick. He is so better off her. That leads me to think that this version is very problematic. If anything, the song should’ve been made in a way it doesn’t push anyone down. But if it has to push someone, for my ears it would have been better for her to attack the singer/storyteller rathen than the sk8ter boi. I feel like a better way to modernize the song could have been a few different ways: Initially when Avril wrote the song she was going to be the main character, but changed it to a boy because she thought it sounded better. Well the remake could have been about a skater girl falling for a preppy guy and have the genders be reversed. She could have made it an LGBTQ+ anthem and have it be about 2 gay people who feel they can’t be together because they aren’t out to their friends, but in the end they get together anyway and are happy together, which honestly would have been a way better message. The genders can remain the same and everything about the original remains the same but instead the girl realizes how stupid and judgmental her so-called friends are and dumps them, gets with the guy, and they live happily ever after. Any one of those reinterpretations/reimaginings IMO would have been a ton better and sent a better message.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 16, 2021 14:05:13 GMT
God this song is awful, way to ruin a classic. That's 2 minutes I'll never get back. It’s legitimately, no exaggeration, one of the worst things I’ve ever heard. Aside from the awful lyrics, musically it’s just so bad. I listened to it once but wasn’t really paying full attention so I gave it a fair listen once more and after both times, I seriously felt like I needed a palette cleanser and had to put on another song, any song, immediately after. It was that bad. I’ve heard lots of bad songs, but not usually something so bad I have to put on something else. I very appropriately played Flames immediately after, my god what a difference lol Flames isn’t the best song ever, but at least it’s actually well produced and sounds good.
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Post by tommygun on Jan 16, 2021 14:39:02 GMT
God this song is awful, way to ruin a classic. That's 2 minutes I'll never get back. It’s legitimately, no exaggeration, one of the worst things I’ve ever heard. Aside from the awful lyrics, musically it’s just so bad. I listened to it once but wasn’t really paying full attention so I gave it a fair listen once more and after both times, I seriously felt like I needed a palette cleanser and had to put on another song, any song, immediately after. It was that bad. I’ve heard lots of bad songs, but not usually something so bad I have to put on something else. I very appropriately played Flames immediately after, my god what a difference lol Flames isn’t the best song ever, but at least it’s actually well produced and sounds good. I agree with your last two posts 100%
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Post by goodbye on Jan 16, 2021 15:38:41 GMT
Imagine i'm an aheist and i take HAW and change the whole chorus which is basically more christan than a lot of christian songs. I would be destroying the message of the song. And of course there's some lyrics about Avril I don't like...and i would personally change, BUT it's not my place to "correct" or "discipline" a legendary artist like Avril. Smile is literally more problematic than sk8er boi. Girlfriend for instance as well is more problematic, at least the music video. (i don't think it is...but i was trying to follow their logic). So yeah, i don't like the song, i really hope Avril would stay as far as possible from anything related to this. I agree with you. Smile is kind of problematic with the tatoo and drink line. Everything Back But You has some problematic lyrics too (at least in the uncensored version). I want to fix songs too from my faves but mostly it's making uncensored censored or backwards. I think every song has a meaning even when it's just for fun and not that serious.
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Post by biggerwow on Jan 16, 2021 17:38:55 GMT
I always thought of SB as another example of the overused 00s teen media trope where the nobody falls for the popular kid and the latter rejects them because of appearances. Plus the other overused popular trope where the popular kid ends up living a less than stellar life because of they treated the "main character" like crap.
I see nothing wrong with the original. Although one of the common criticisms that I read is that "she sits at home feeding the baby she's all alone" which I think is valid. There's nothing wrong with being a single mother and why does she have to be lonely. Ash could have easily changed it to the girl being happy for the guy. Also maybe add why the guy had a good soul not just that he was rejected for being a skater and ended up being a rockstar. Because let's be clear I hate the trolls but we really don't know why this guy is so great. But it's just a song. It's fiction, not a real story where there's two sides to the story. It's not problematic imo.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 16, 2021 18:01:18 GMT
I think we're meant to believe that whatever guy the girl ended up with was a jerk and left her with a baby, not that there's anything wrong with being single or alone, but rather that she is lonely and was left alone with a baby.
Paramount Pictures had ideas to turn this song into a movie (which never ended up happening, probably for the best lol), so yeah it for sure draws on that teen movie stereotype where the unpopular guy falls for the popular girl and all that stuff.
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Post by orangesky on Jan 16, 2021 18:16:02 GMT
I always took the baby line to imply that the sk8er boi was a good guy she rejected for superficial reasons and then she got together with someone who must have met her friends' (and other people's) standards of who she should be dating, superficially, but he ended up abandoning her with their baby. She could have had the good guy but let herself be swayed by his appearance and ended up with someone who probably looked right but wasn't a good guy
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