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Post by MyHappySk8er on Jan 27, 2021 2:31:28 GMT
"I hate it when a guy doesn't get the tab and I have to pull my money out and that looks bad."
"Last night I blacked out I think. What did you, what did you put in my drink?"
"She's like, so whatever, and you could do, so much better." People say that the music video is pretty bad, but the lyrics are pretty bad too. What exactly is so bad about her? Guys often say things like "she only dates jerks" or "her boyfriend is such an asshole" when talking about their crush and it turns out they're just jealous losers and the boyfriend is actually an amazing guy. It just feeds into a "You Belong With Me" fantasy. This is like when people say "Ugh! What's he/she doing with him/her?!" Oftentimes, it's just jealousy and delusion.
That's all I can think of for right now. Any more to talk about and discuss?
Edit: I changed the title of the thread from "'Problematic' Lyrics" to "Dislikeable Lyrics." The burden of proof is often too high in terms of Avril's current songs' lyrics. You can still talk about problematic lyrics and how you dislike them, but changing "Problematic" to "Dislikeable" broadens the discussion and steers it in a less controversial direction, in my opinion.
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Post by Underclass King on Jan 27, 2021 2:42:49 GMT
I think "Smile" was the biggest offender with that roofie line. I'm not usually too sensitive about song lyrics, but that line was in really poor taste. As for other lyrics, the whole slut-shaming nature of "Everything Back but You" is pretty lame. I still love the song, but the whole "bitch, slut, psycho babe" line is definitely dated to 2007.
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Post by katy on Jan 27, 2021 8:13:58 GMT
The Smile line has always been a little odd. Otherwise I don’t think any of her lyrics are particularly problematic. People actively trying to take offence to anything and everything in recent years is the most problematic thing imo lol.
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Post by eismann on Jan 27, 2021 8:46:18 GMT
Agree, that line in Smile is just uncomfortable. Also I dont really like that line in Hello Kitty "like a fat kid on a pack of Smarties". I don't know if that is a reference I dont get or if it's just supposed to be funny but turns out being mean.
"Bitch slut psycho-babe" in EBBY is not really nice and definitely outdated language - but the song itself is more bashing her boyfriend than the other woman, so I personally wouldn't say it's that problematic. But it's outdated.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 27, 2021 13:17:30 GMT
I don’t see the issue with TBDT lyric? She’s saying a guy should at least offer to pay for a date and not even offering looks bad.
The Smile lyric is easily the most problematic lyric she’s ever put out, though thankfully her problematic lyrics are few and far between.
I’m in agreement with others the EBBY line is also slut shaming by today’s standards.
I don’t see the issue with the GF line tbh We aren’t given details as to what’s wrong with this girl, other than that she’s stupid I guess and the guy could do better. I wouldn’t read that much into that one since she wrote it while drunk and it’s just meant for fun, a clearly fictional song. I’m sure we’ve all been there where we liked someone who was already taken and felt jealous, basically like “why are you with that person? They suck and I’d be so much better for you!” Come on, we have ALL felt that way at some point.
The “fat kid” line in HK I just think is meant to be funny. By today’s standards it’s probably seen as fat shaming though.
Otherwise I don’t think she has any lyrics that can really be considered problematic, other than the blackout line in Smile and bitch slut line EBBY.
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Post by MyHappySk8er on Jan 27, 2021 14:23:46 GMT
I don’t see the issue with the GF line tbh We aren’t given details as to what’s wrong with this girl, other than that she’s stupid I guess and the guy could do better. I wouldn’t read that much into that one since she wrote it while drunk and it’s just meant for fun, a clearly fictional song. I’m sure we’ve all been there where we liked someone who was already taken and felt jealous, basically like “why are you with that person? They suck and I’d be so much better for you!” Come on, we have ALL felt that way at some point. When I typed that comment on the "Girlfriend" lyrics, I also felt that I was stretching a bit. The song is fun to listen to, but the lyrics convey or remind me of a shitty attitude and I admit that I hate it. This lyric actually bothered me when I heard it for the first few times. It comes off as extremely petty and shitty, in my opinion, to make "you can do better" comments about a seemingly happy couple. You say that we aren't given the details as to what's wrong with the girlfriend. In my opinion, that tells me a lot about the person complaining. It's like I'm listening to some female incel(femcel). Anyways, I know this is a bit of a stretch and I would understand why you wouldn't see it as problematic. I've talked to and hung out with sociopathic weirdos before, but that level of pettiness makes me instantly hate a person. I changed the title of the thread because I feel like "'Problematic' Lyrics" is too narrow and requires too much blatancy to prove as "problematic."
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Post by HeiBai on Jan 27, 2021 16:39:29 GMT
Mina saiko, arigato, k-k-k-kawaii~
Iconic.
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Post by biggerwow on Jan 27, 2021 17:46:57 GMT
I like that you changed it to dislikeable instead of problematic but now I'm just gonna think of the lyrics I think are terrible...which are a lot 😅
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Post by katy on Jan 27, 2021 18:12:17 GMT
I like that you changed it to dislikeable instead of problematic but now I'm just gonna think of the lyrics I think are terrible...which are a lot 😅 like this masterpiece..?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 27, 2021 19:34:41 GMT
Don’t forget these gems: I am small and the world is big Goodbye, goodbye, I have to go, I have to go I miss you, I miss you so bad, oh it’s so sad I can’t take it, it wasn’t fake it, it happened - this one always drove me nuts The more I am a hot mess the more he goes baNANAs
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Post by katy on Jan 27, 2021 19:48:34 GMT
DTM is my favourite Avril song, but “made me go “oh oh”” is just...lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 20:14:47 GMT
The fact that she put the line.... "gimme what I want, everything I don't got". It bothers me so much because of how grammatically incorrect it is. she probably intentionally wrote it so that it could rhyme with "want". Doesn't make me dislike the song though
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 20:17:53 GMT
I like that you changed it to dislikeable instead of problematic but now I'm just gonna think of the lyrics I think are terrible...which are a lot 😅 like this masterpiece..? There's a reason why this is unreleased....
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Post by katy on Jan 27, 2021 20:37:26 GMT
like this masterpiece..? There's a reason why this is unreleased.... As a fan i know i should want to hear all her songs, but I wish this one had remained unknown 😂
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Post by chelseafaye on Jan 28, 2021 3:32:21 GMT
Also I dont really like that line in Hello Kitty "like a fat kid on a pack of Smarties". I don't know if that is a reference I dont get or if it's just supposed to be funny but turns out being mean. Where are you from? Smarties is a chocolate candy we have in Canada. She's using a play on words 'like a fat kid on cake', which means 'all over and/or very attracted to something'. I think her intention was to reference something Canadian, but yeah, that whole song is cringe.
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