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Post by gabbox on Jan 13, 2022 17:45:50 GMT
I know songs are short but what about:
Blur - Song 2 , 2:02 , 1997
Blink 182 - What's my age again, 2:27, 1999
Sum 41 - Still Waiting, 2:39, 2002
Green Day - American Idiot, 2:56, 2004
None of these reaches 3 minutes, none of these was released during streaming era, and we are talking about MASSIVE HITS, not random fillers. It's important that the songs are strong, not length. And nowadays everybody does short songs
"Stay" from Justin Bieber and Kid Laroi is 2:22;
"Montero (Call me By Your Name)" by Lil Nas X is only 2:18
and so on..
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 13, 2022 17:49:57 GMT
The songs just better have strong bridges because IMO Avril does some of the best bridges. No bridge makes the song feel incomplete and AL5 lacked a lot of bridges.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 13, 2022 17:54:01 GMT
Saw this fan made artwork on IG and honestly like it way better than the real cover (but what else is new? The fans always make better stuff) http://instagram.com/p/CYrPqozrgvY
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Post by tommygun on Jan 13, 2022 17:57:47 GMT
Saw this fan made artwork on IG and honestly like it way better than the real cover (but what else is new? The fans always make better stuff) http://instagr.am/p/CYrPqozrgvY I do like the chequer board floor on this similar to the Bite Me cover. If they had that on the album cover it could add some depth or a little something extra. I really hope we get some insight into the cover shoot and what her vision was and if the shadow of people kissing is intentional or us crazy fans have just gotten carried away lol
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Post by Sara on Jan 13, 2022 17:58:35 GMT
A long song is not synonymous of quality. In fact, songs that are too long can become boring and annoying to listen to. If the rest of the songs have the quality or a strong bridge as "Bite Me" I would be super happy!
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Post by cwrc on Jan 13, 2022 18:13:26 GMT
(ok this is going to be a long post so skip it if you're not interested) READ ONLY IF INTERESTED IN THE ALBUM COVER ESSAY (lol). But let me explain to you why this is her best album cover so far (from a photographer point of view, but not meaning i hold the truth or that my opinion can't be biased, i'm just talking from my experience and all that i've learned in the past 8 years doing photography)
- THE POSE: Now, it wouldn't be an avril cover album without a weird pose, would it? which is what i'm starting this essay with: her pose. That's the worst and probably the only "bad" or "not so good" thing about the cover. It's unconventional and a bit distracting and kinda shocking, now do i think that's a bad thing? -no. Her pose is pretty much memorable and it does give that first impression suprise which is good for the regular consumer or for streaming platforms such as spotify which is a dark-based theme meaning the constrast in colors will stand out, and also for stores where you just see a red spot with a lady in it spreading her legs across the picture: it works as capturing your attention. My critic comes from another place tho. I think the pose could've been better. just that. There's many dynamic poses to capture attention and this one is not the most flattering one nor it does give any sense to the meaning of the album, but then again: it's creative and original and i appreciate that they took the risk and go with something different and challenged themselves.
- THE COLORS: let me tell you that she made the best decision when she chose to go with red instead of any other color and here's why: red is a classic color, it always has been, it's elegant, aggresive, romantic and classy (perfect for the album theme). and the most improtant thing: it doesn't age. Other colors like blue, green, yellow or even white, function by trends, this decade is this shade of blue popular, but then the next decade it won't be. If you're somehow interested in photography or have been using instagram regulary i'm sure you could've seen the "blue nature" trend, where all the photographers tended to edit their pictures to make the nature (leaves, trees, grass) look more blue-ish instead of green. Now that trend is dead, now it the "warm and desaturated" greens that are trendy. That's just a small example but it happens with all the colors except 2: red and black. there are no other 2 colors in the whole chromatic circle more "classic" and "timeless" than red and black. It's really hard to mess up those 2 colors (yes, there are ugly shades of red, but it's hard to mess it up). Look at some of the biggest brands in history and they had at least one element of red, which is also the color that stands out the most. It gives the cover longevity and it can be considered beautiful in many years from now without a problem. To give some perspective, look at TBDT cover. The colors are awful. That wall is white.... but you're not seeing white, you're seeing a blue-ish tone of white, which is the result of a bad white balance in the camera settings or in the editing postproduction (or maybe both). Now the picture was taken by Deryck and he's not a professional so there's an excuse and maybe you could argue that the "vibes" were about being punk and not professional, which i get that, but a bad white balance can't be excused with such a lame argument in my opinion.
THE FONT: is great (?) like... i don't really understand why so many of you don't like it? it's pretty gothic and emo, and "sad" fitting the concept really well. Now... the thing that i didn't like at first was that her name was in 2 different lines (which is a first on her album titles) but then i saw why it was like that. The album title (plus her name) are supposed to represent a balloon, so i guess that's why her name is in 2 lines. And there's also the connection with the ballons in the picture. And as someone also said, representing this "celebration" that love just sucks. It's a pretty decent explenation to me and i don't need more than that to be honest.
THE COMPOSITION: the composition as mark said does feel a littel bit empty below her legs pretty much dividing the composition in 2 but i highly disagree with the album name placement since where it is, it's the onyl place where they could've put it and made the most sense out of it. let me explain: the composition is pretty straight foreward, central and lineal. you can divide the picture vertically into 3 parts and you'll notice her face, her hand and the ballons are in the center row. now, the left row is where the shadow lands and the 3rd right row is where the album title is. Meaning you have information all across the album cover where the shadow is not an "important" piece of information but with the album title being on the right side it gives a good balance to the cover. Now the spreading legs across the cover may seem like a problem but it sort of gives an imaginary line as well, a diagonal line from the left corner to the rght corner. it's not a perfect line but it does the trick and with the backround lines where all the wall meet in the corner also helps to give some horizontal lines and stability to the picture. Overall, her spreading the legs it's almost acting like a piece of relief in comparisson to all the information you get on the upper part. Plus the parental content thing being in the left corner and very important: in black (to not break the color scheme) also gives another little element to balance the picture even more (with her left leg being sligthly closer to the camera, aka, lower in the composition frame). And also very important: the parental content thing connecting in a diagonal line with the album title as well. This is literally the best composition we ever got from her (at least in a cover album). It's literally her best cover from a photographic point of view. and here's why its better:
- TRASHING THE OTHER COVERS: LG: the outfit is meh, the title album is hard to read, and while i like the effect of people moving and her standing still, the left part of the cover feels empty since there is no one there, therefore breaking the balance and making it look weird. the upper part is warm and not blue like the rest of the cover, breaking the color scheme and no, it's not intentional. They took the picture, applied a fancy effect on it and call it a day. It's "legendary" only because it's LG and it's not a bad cover, but it's far from being perfect. It gives the early 00s vibes and that's why it looks cool. UMS: this had the potential to be her best cover and yet it's not. The black and white it's unnecesarry and it doesn't look good with the red elements. There was another 2 or 3 pictures almost from the exact same angle but slightly different with a little bit more of movement that would've made her look way better and not like she's hunched lol... and those pictures were also in color, they had a blue-ish tint to them that would've complimented the red elements way better since they are almost complementary colors. Therefore, ums had a great potential but it was not executed well. TBDT: wrong white balance, they cropped her left shoulder for some reason? the wall.... the wall is terrible. i do like the idea of her grabbing her pink strak and her look but that's all. GL: this could've been her best cover but she screwed up once again by choosing the wrong picture. The concept is flawless, very well executed, the lighting is perfect, her dress, her hair, her makeup, everything is beautiful except for one thing: her awful frog pose. like.... what the heck. anyways, there were many better picture from that photoshoot that could've made a better cover album and that's why it's not her best one. and i also kinda hate those little drawings acting as a frame... it's childish, distracting and outadet. I don't think there's need to explain the terrible covers for AL and HAW so i'll leave it here.
So i know it's a long post, sorry about that but i just wanted to praise her and her team once again for doing such a great job. They clearly took the time with this one and even tho i have praised it so far, it's not perfect... no. But from an artistic and photographer point of view: it's a good picture. It's well executed and well edited, no weird colors, no werid retouches, nothing awful to complain about. Maybe a part of me wished it was something "more" and that maybe it had some more details or elements to it but maybe they tried and didn't work. As i said, it's probably not the best cover album in the world but it's definitely her best so far, and plus: an album cover doesn't have to be complex, it has to stand out, and as i said earlier, just by using red as the base color, it already stands out a lot. I have only good thigns to say about her and her team with this one, where maybe they didn't handled eveything perfectly since the era started but they clearly had some more artistic creativity and put more effort than ever into this project and it shows. And i'm thankful that she's finally taking a little bit more care of her visuals.
Sorry for the long post, oopsie. Great analysis! Now I even like more the cover!
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Post by TomX on Jan 13, 2022 18:16:18 GMT
One song that I would love 10 times more if she hadn’t dragged it for too long is Everybody Hurts. There’s about a minute and a half of filler by the end. And it’s not even that long, it’s 3:41, but could’ve easily ended at 2:40 and be a much better song.
So yeah, quantity doesn’t equal quality for sure, but I wouldn’t mind the length of these songs if we’d gotten a 15 track album. I feel it will be over too soon and it’ll just be keeping me wanting more. However, I’d say we’ve got about 80% chances of getting a deluxe with at least 3 new songs, plus 'Bite Me' acoustic. I wonder if we’ll get a Target edition with 'Bite Me' acoustic.
Speaking of this, pre order is up, and so far there’s only pre-save buttons. I wonder when she’ll post the link to the different retailers to purchase the CDs and Vinyls, as well as her online store.
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Post by biggerwow on Jan 13, 2022 18:38:39 GMT
How do you guys know the length of the rest of the songs? The NZ link doesn't show it to me.
I now see the two people kissing in the background of the balloons thing.
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Post by mark on Jan 13, 2022 18:53:49 GMT
I know this is such a minor complaint, but why would she use a black and ORANGE (!!!) heart in the post where she announces the album? ;_; The horror! I fixed it for you, Ramona, please change it to this:
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Post by kathese on Jan 13, 2022 18:57:05 GMT
I know this is such a minor complaint, but why would she use a black and ORANGE (!!!) heart in the post where she announces the album? ;_; Please Ramona change it to this: Maybe she had the night mood on her phone on and the colors look different
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Post by ame · 雨 on Jan 13, 2022 18:58:12 GMT
mark lol i thought the same hahaha like... why not a red heart (?) is she color blind or something and we find out about it now?
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Post by orangesky on Jan 13, 2022 19:09:28 GMT
One song that I would love 10 times more if she hadn’t dragged it for too long is Everybody Hurts. There’s about a minute and a half of filler by the end. And it’s not even that long, it’s 3:41, but could’ve easily ended at 2:40 and be a much better song. I feel the same way about Runaway. I always skip after the second chorus because the bridge is just her saying runaway 20 times then repeating the chorus over and over and over. I don't mind songs being short if they feel complete like Bite Me. In fact it leaves me wanting more so I listen to it more often. It's interesting for her to be trying something different too. She doesn't have to always do the same formula. It all depends on the quality and whether the song feels unfinished or not
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Post by mark on Jan 13, 2022 19:10:42 GMT
No kidding, I initially looked at it and went like "wow, I never realized the red heart emoji was so dull looking". I thought it looked kind of orange because the album cover was a more vibrant red in comparison, only to then realize it looked orange because it IS orange Anyway, it's a shame she didn't make this post before the cover was posted everywhere yesterday. Would have been more exciting getting it directly from her.
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Post by blackmage on Jan 13, 2022 19:18:05 GMT
I know songs are short but what about: Blur - Song 2 , 2:02 , 1997 Blink 182 - What's my age again, 2:27, 1999 Sum 41 - Still Waiting, 2:39, 2002 Green Day - American Idiot, 2:56, 2004 None of these reaches 3 minutes, none of these was released during streaming era, and we are talking about MASSIVE HITS, not random fillers. It's important that the songs are strong, not length. And nowadays everybody does short songs "Stay" from Justin Bieber and Kid Laroi is 2:22; "Montero (Call me By Your Name)" by Lil Nas X is only 2:18 and so on.. People just want a reason to complain. Quality > quantity
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 19:22:58 GMT
I know songs are short but what about: Blur - Song 2 , 2:02 , 1997 Blink 182 - What's my age again, 2:27, 1999 Sum 41 - Still Waiting, 2:39, 2002 Green Day - American Idiot, 2:56, 2004 None of these reaches 3 minutes, none of these was released during streaming era, and we are talking about MASSIVE HITS, not random fillers. It's important that the songs are strong, not length. And nowadays everybody does short songs "Stay" from Justin Bieber and Kid Laroi is 2:22; "Montero (Call me By Your Name)" by Lil Nas X is only 2:18 and so on.. Wow I can’t believe you missed B*Witched’s C’est La Vie off your list - 2:52
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