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Post by ame · 雨 on Feb 24, 2022 9:18:50 GMT
I remember when she released HAW it was in the middle of most ranks, now it’s usually in the bottom. Loved the first half but the second one did not age well. I think I have heard Souvenir, Goddess, Love Me Insane and Bigger Wow at most 10 times. Love Sux in on top or middle now. Wonder how it will be in 1 year It's pretty sad actually cause HAW is not that bad. I only skip 2 or 3 songs and them being Bigger Wow. LMI and Warrior (most basic ballad after Hush Hush). But the rest is pretty good, Goddess is an acoustic masterpiece, i don't get why so many people hate this. Yes yes, pijamas and bananas, oh.... the perks of being european and not bein bothered by her pronunciation 😂😂 then Crush is really sweet and tender tbh. Souvenir is a great cute pop acoustic anthem that actually reminds me of LG like things ill never say or something like that. Then DB is definitely out of place and even tho I stopped loving it was in me so much as it does feel like a watered down version of a classic, it's still good enough. I think people will alaways put the first 3 albums in the top mainly bc of nostalgia. We just had more time to enjoy those songs, it hold special place in our hearts, it's just something that can't be beaten. Nostalgia can be very strong. That's why i think HAW is just not clicking for so many people. But as i said again, this album has some of her strongest tracks in more than a decade, like haw or devil. Even DB has an "iconic" vibe to it. I don't know about Love Sux tho. It will probably depend on the production and how well it will age bc of that.
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Post by alessioo89 on Feb 24, 2022 10:37:41 GMT
I remember when she released HAW it was in the middle of most ranks, now it’s usually in the bottom. Loved the first half but the second one did not age well. I think I have heard Souvenir, Goddess, Love Me Insane and Bigger Wow at most 10 times. Love Sux in on top or middle now. Wonder how it will be in 1 year It's pretty sad actually cause HAW is not that bad. I only skip 2 or 3 songs and them being Bigger Wow. LMI and Warrior (most basic ballad after Hush Hush). But the rest is pretty good, Goddess is an acoustic masterpiece, i don't get why so many people hate this. Yes yes, pijamas and bananas, oh.... the perks of being european and not bein bothered by her pronunciation 😂😂 then Crush is really sweet and tender tbh. Souvenir is a great cute pop acoustic anthem that actually reminds me of LG like things ill never say or something like that. Then DB is definitely out of place and even tho I stopped loving it was in me so much as it does feel like a watered down version of a classic, it's still good enough. I think people will alaways put the first 3 albums in the top mainly bc of nostalgia. We just had more time to enjoy those songs, it hold special place in our hearts, it's just something that can't be beaten. Nostalgia can be very strong. That's why i think HAW is just not clicking for so many people. But as i said again, this album has some of her strongest tracks in more than a decade, like haw or devil. Even DB has an "iconic" vibe to it. I don't know about Love Sux tho. It will probably depend on the production and how well it will age bc of that. Yeah, I remember that when HAW came out I was like "OMG, this is way better than AL". It didn't age like fine wine tho. And the problem is in the second half. For me, what saves that record is the Holy Trinity: HAW, Birdie and IFILWTD (expecially Birdie and IFILWTD... damn, they're dark and amazing). I don't totally dislike Dumb Blonde but it was totally out of place, and the fact that features Nicki Minaj is... cringey). Loved TMIO, even if it does sound weird in the album. I like Goddess to, if you move forward from bananas and pajamas. The rest is just mmeh for me, including IWIM, which was labelled as I'm With You part 2. Just no. The truth is that J. Rotem tracks would have fit better because they were more first half-ish, stylistically. But if he hadn't walked out we wouldn't have IFILWTD. Plus he was toxic and violent, so... thank god he's not in her life anymore. I am curious to see where Love Sux will be in a year from now, as you said! I remember that when TBDT came out I was like shocked and angry because it was so different from Let Go and Under My Skin which were (for me) a double masterpiece and those were my standards at the time. I ended up appreciating TBDT a lot years later (and now fits perfectly in my own top three Avril album chart)
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Post by deadscreams88 on Feb 24, 2022 10:51:41 GMT
It's pretty sad actually cause HAW is not that bad. I only skip 2 or 3 songs and them being Bigger Wow. LMI and Warrior (most basic ballad after Hush Hush). But the rest is pretty good, Goddess is an acoustic masterpiece, i don't get why so many people hate this. Yes yes, pijamas and bananas, oh.... the perks of being european and not bein bothered by her pronunciation 😂😂 then Crush is really sweet and tender tbh. Souvenir is a great cute pop acoustic anthem that actually reminds me of LG like things ill never say or something like that. Then DB is definitely out of place and even tho I stopped loving it was in me so much as it does feel like a watered down version of a classic, it's still good enough. I think people will alaways put the first 3 albums in the top mainly bc of nostalgia. We just had more time to enjoy those songs, it hold special place in our hearts, it's just something that can't be beaten. Nostalgia can be very strong. That's why i think HAW is just not clicking for so many people. But as i said again, this album has some of her strongest tracks in more than a decade, like haw or devil. Even DB has an "iconic" vibe to it. I don't know about Love Sux tho. It will probably depend on the production and how well it will age bc of that. Yeah, I remember that when HAW came out I was like "OMG, this is way better than AL". It didn't age like fine wine tho. And the problem is in the second half. For me, what saves that record is the Holy Trinity: HAW, Birdie and IFILWTD (expecially Birdie and IFILWTD... damn, they're dark and amazing). I don't totally dislike Dumb Blonde but it was totally out of place, and the fact that features Nicki Minaj is... cringey). Loved TMIO, even if it does sound weird in the album. I like Goddess to, if you move forward from bananas and pajamas. The rest is just mmeh for me, including IWIM, which was labelled as I'm With You part 2. Just no. The truth is that J. Rotem tracks would have fit better because they were more first half-ish, stylistically. But if he hadn't walked out we wouldn't have IFILWTD. Plus he was toxic and violent, so... thank god he's not in her life anymore. I am curious to see where Love Sux will be in a year from now, as you said! I remember that when TBDT came out I was like shocked and angry because it was so different from Let Go and Under My Skin which were (for me) a double masterpiece and those were my standards at the time. I ended up appreciating TBDT a lot years later (and now fits perfectly in my own top three Avril album chart) I was one of those fans who initially dislike when Avril changed directions in 2007's TBDT. I felt like she sell out and did a 360 turn ala Nelly Furtado with Loose. It took me a long time to appreciate TBDT and how important for Avril to reinvent her image and sound. I always feel like Goodbye Lullaby was a reconciliation between Avril's new direction and the fans that grew with her from 2002.
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Post by heaven on Feb 24, 2022 10:56:18 GMT
The fact that TBDT at the time was dragged as hell and this album is/will be recieved well, bugs me a lot. I understand that after UMS, TBDT could have been shocking, even seeing her change of looks, i get that.. But really TBDT is something else compared to Love Sux. It had balance first of all, 12 different tracks, there were pop-rock songs with hip hop beats like Girlfriend, The Best Damn Thing, I Don't Have To Try balanced with the heaviest tracks like I Can Do Better and Everything Back But You to soft/pop rock tracks like Hot, Contagious(short song but it is a masterpiece) and Runway, until the 3 ballads. The production was insane and Dr Luke was able to blend his pop soul to the rock one of Avril and the result was outstanding and still fresh after 15 years.
Love Sux is just too much, literally, too much. I didn't enjoy it at all, not that i was going to like it, but i thought it could have been like an old sister of TBDT, but i was wrong in some parts. It's just 12 I Can Do Betters. And let's be honest, her voice NOW does not suit to this genre AT ALL, too loudy, too ''chipmunk-y''.. when she will understand that her voice is suitable to songs like Crush, Tell Me It's Over or Goddess, well the world will end. Funny thing that i heard that the first 2 tracks are considered fillers. SHOOK. They are 2 of her best songs since Goodbye Lullaby another album where her vocals are shining than ever. These heavy instrumentals + with her current voice are not the best pair and i had to turn low the volume of the stereo.
I know she has to have fun(it's been 84 years that she wants to have fun and says it and does it) but she's almost 40 and for God's sake, breaking up, love, growing out of love is more than ''i'm the best, you are an asshole'' i want to puke and blah blah.. She is mature enough to write reflexive songs, i guess. And she did in the past, Hush Hush, Let Me Go, Remember When... Like i said, a balance is what Love Sux suffers, both musically and thematically.
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Post by likeacannonball on Feb 24, 2022 11:01:50 GMT
So, after I heard the snippets I couldn't resist and listened to the full in HQ (don't worry I preordered my CD and will from tomorrow on stream it on Spotify). Wanted to share my opinion with you guys on the full songs - although the snippets were already amazing, the full songs are even better, of course. The production and the sound of the songs is so good! It's so full of real instruments and heavy guitars! Listening to the full songs didn't change my mind in general, it's my absolute fav album of her, it's like an amazing mix of UMS and TBDT. I know, it's the nostalgia which also makes me loving the album so much, but it's like literally the album I've been waiting for since UMS. EVERY song is a banger, there's absolutely NO FILLER for me personally! It's just like such a great mixture of her LG/UMS/TBDT, but also a mix of Blink 182, Sum 41 and also some BMTH. It's just so fun listening to it! And I actually have to admit now, that Avalanche and Dare To Love Me, which from the snippets I didn't like, I now think they are amazing. Avalanche is such a surprise, when the bridge started I was like OMG wait what? okay! haha and Dare To Love Me is a classic Avril ballad, which fans from her ballad records will love, I guess. And that's why I also think that it absolutely doesn't sound "samey", I think there is A LOT of variety although it's pop-punk-rock all the way through. So, what can I say - a perfect album from head to toe, I'm literally crying.
Can't wait for all of her fans to hear it.
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Post by deirdre on Feb 24, 2022 11:03:48 GMT
Ranking the albums is very difficult for me, UMS and LG are probably still my top 2, Losing Grip is still my favourite song!
At the time I didn't love TBDT for the same reason as everyone said, I thought Avril was this super edgy queen and it was too pop and girly, but I appreciate it more now! I actually really love GL other than What The Hell and Smile.. although I do enjoy Smile sometimes!
If I could make a mash up of AL and HAW into one super album it would be top tier. Take 17, GYWYL, Bad Girl (although not as sure about that song lately), Hello Heartache, Head Above Water, Birdie, IFILWTD, Tell Me It's Over and Crush. Since that's only 10 songs maybe throw in It Was In Me and Hush Hush 🙈🤷🏼♀️
So I guess my ranking would be:
UMS LG GL TBDT AL/HAW
Not sure where Love Sux comes in until I listen more but I think I definitely like it over TBDT. But again it's kinda what you're in the mood for, so I more make playlists of types of Avril songs, sometimes I wanna listen to her deeper/heavier/darker songs then sometimes I just want something light.
Sorry I hadn't planned for this to be so long 🤣
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Post by likeacannonball on Feb 24, 2022 11:03:48 GMT
The fact that TBDT at the time was dragged as hell and this album is/will be recieved well, bugs me a lot. I understand that after UMS, TBDT could have been shocking, even seeing her change of looks, i get that.. But really TBDT is something else compared to Love Sux. It had balance first of all, 12 different tracks, there were pop-rock songs with hip hop beats like Girlfriend, The Best Damn Thing, I Don't Have To Try balanced with the heaviest tracks like I Can Do Better and Everything Back But You to soft/pop rock tracks like Hot, Contagious(short song but it is a masterpiece) and Runway, until the 3 ballads. The production was insane and Dr Luke was able to blend his pop soul to the rock one of Avril and the result was outstanding and still fresh after 15 years. Love Sux is just too much, literally, too much. I didn't enjoy it at all, not that i was going to like it, but i thought it could have been like an old sister of TBDT, but i was wrong in some parts. It's just 12 I Can Do Betters. And let's be honest, her voice NOW does not suit to this genre AT ALL, too loudy, too ''chipmunk-y''.. when she will understand that her voice is suitable to songs like Crush, Tell Me It's Over or Goddess, well the world will end. Funny thing that i heard that the first 2 tracks are considered fillers. SHOOK. They are 2 of her best songs since Goodbye Lullaby another album where her vocals are shining than ever. These heavy instrumentals + with her current voice are not the best pair and i had to turn low the volume of the stereo. I know she has to have fun(it's been 84 years that she wants to have fun and says it and does it) but she's almost 40 and for God's sake, breaking up, love, growing out of love is more than ''i'm the best, you are an asshole'' i want to puke and blah blah.. She is mature enough to write reflexive songs, i guess. And she did in the past, Hush Hush, Let Me Go, Remember When... Like i said, a balance is what Love Sux suffers, both musically and thematically. well, that shows that tastes are really different, for me it's like the complete opposite of what you wrote. but that's okay. BUT I don't get the argument with "she's almost 40" like, okay, so what? I mean she absolutely doesn't look like almost 40 and it seems that she also doesn't feel like being almost 40 - and I mean, good for her, isn't it? I'm absolutely against the "you have to act your age". It's like such an old-fashioned attitude. And like you mentioned it correctly - she did A LOT of mature songs which mature lyrics. But it has always been a mix of mature and teenage/girly...
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Post by mattosavage on Feb 24, 2022 11:24:16 GMT
It's pretty sad actually cause HAW is not that bad. I only skip 2 or 3 songs and them being Bigger Wow. LMI and Warrior (most basic ballad after Hush Hush). But the rest is pretty good, Goddess is an acoustic masterpiece, i don't get why so many people hate this. Yes yes, pijamas and bananas, oh.... the perks of being european and not bein bothered by her pronunciation 😂😂 then Crush is really sweet and tender tbh. Souvenir is a great cute pop acoustic anthem that actually reminds me of LG like things ill never say or something like that. Then DB is definitely out of place and even tho I stopped loving it was in me so much as it does feel like a watered down version of a classic, it's still good enough. I think people will alaways put the first 3 albums in the top mainly bc of nostalgia. We just had more time to enjoy those songs, it hold special place in our hearts, it's just something that can't be beaten. Nostalgia can be very strong. That's why i think HAW is just not clicking for so many people. But as i said again, this album has some of her strongest tracks in more than a decade, like haw or devil. Even DB has an "iconic" vibe to it. I don't know about Love Sux tho. It will probably depend on the production and how well it will age bc of that. Yeah, I remember that when HAW came out I was like "OMG, this is way better than AL". It didn't age like fine wine tho. And the problem is in the second half. For me, what saves that record is the Holy Trinity: HAW, Birdie and IFILWTD (expecially Birdie and IFILWTD... damn, they're dark and amazing). I don't totally dislike Dumb Blonde but it was totally out of place, and the fact that features Nicki Minaj is... cringey). Loved TMIO, even if it does sound weird in the album. I like Goddess to, if you move forward from bananas and pajamas. The rest is just mmeh for me, including IWIM, which was labelled as I'm With You part 2. Just no. The truth is that J. Rotem tracks would have fit better because they were more first half-ish, stylistically. But if he hadn't walked out we wouldn't have IFILWTD. Plus he was toxic and violent, so... thank god he's not in her life anymore. I am curious to see where Love Sux will be in a year from now, as you said! I remember that when TBDT came out I was like shocked and angry because it was so different from Let Go and Under My Skin which were (for me) a double masterpiece and those were my standards at the time. I ended up appreciating TBDT a lot years later (and now fits perfectly in my own top three Avril album chart) In the end it all comes down to a matter of taste doesn’t it. And thank god to rly. My issue with HAW is its overall execution. Avril clearly works best as a collaborative artist (LG, UMS, TBDT etc.) She is a capable song writer and sometimes really succeeds, but she definitely does lack a sense of finesse imo and her taste is sometimes questionable, as are her creative decisions. I remember being blown away by HAW (the song). It’s incredibly well made and well produced. Full of textures, layered instrumentation and soundscapes, her classic rock influences, a huge hard-hitting chorus etc… (it’s up there with the power levels of Adele and Florence + The Machine) and I was like “oh my god this album is gonna be fire” but then I was disappointed by nearly every other song on that album. I studied music technology at uni in London and made friends with some very talented and knowledgable music makers and whilst I still like some of the songs (Birdie, IFILWTD, Souvenir) I struggled to get past the albums sloppy skeletal instrumentation and bland cliché lyricism. I totally understood the kind of directions she was attempting and was all for it, but I was baffled by how many fundamental mistakes were being made all over the album, and that no one seemed to notice or even care. Eg. There are parts where the compression just suddenly disappears then comes right back in a beat and a half late, as if it was a mistake! It’s kinda inexcusable imo. I can look past the cheesiness of Goddess eg. but each part of the song jars into the next with no rhythmic flow etc. Even the mixing of Birdie and IFILWTD are skeletal and missing depth. I really don’t know what happened. Most of the songs are left quite empty and bland like unfinished demos. I don’t know who produced the songs but he definitely needs to go back to school imo. If each song had had the same care and treatment as the title track then it would have been an excellent album. Even the album cover (which was a lovely idea imo) was poorly edited on photoshop. Imo its just so unprofessional. Finesse is so important otherwise your work feels cheap and careless. Love Sux on the other hand you can tell immediately that these songs have had a huge amount of care and attention put into them by very competent music producers. The songs are rich, full and neat af. They may not be the musical style many of the fans were hoping for and yes they are still classic juvenile Avril, but the quality is there this time! Something thats been gradually decreasing more and more since the first three albums. I could go on and on lol
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Post by heaven on Feb 24, 2022 11:29:08 GMT
The fact that TBDT at the time was dragged as hell and this album is/will be recieved well, bugs me a lot. I understand that after UMS, TBDT could have been shocking, even seeing her change of looks, i get that.. But really TBDT is something else compared to Love Sux. It had balance first of all, 12 different tracks, there were pop-rock songs with hip hop beats like Girlfriend, The Best Damn Thing, I Don't Have To Try balanced with the heaviest tracks like I Can Do Better and Everything Back But You to soft/pop rock tracks like Hot, Contagious(short song but it is a masterpiece) and Runway, until the 3 ballads. The production was insane and Dr Luke was able to blend his pop soul to the rock one of Avril and the result was outstanding and still fresh after 15 years. Love Sux is just too much, literally, too much. I didn't enjoy it at all, not that i was going to like it, but i thought it could have been like an old sister of TBDT, but i was wrong in some parts. It's just 12 I Can Do Betters. And let's be honest, her voice NOW does not suit to this genre AT ALL, too loudy, too ''chipmunk-y''.. when she will understand that her voice is suitable to songs like Crush, Tell Me It's Over or Goddess, well the world will end. Funny thing that i heard that the first 2 tracks are considered fillers. SHOOK. They are 2 of her best songs since Goodbye Lullaby another album where her vocals are shining than ever. These heavy instrumentals + with her current voice are not the best pair and i had to turn low the volume of the stereo. I know she has to have fun(it's been 84 years that she wants to have fun and says it and does it) but she's almost 40 and for God's sake, breaking up, love, growing out of love is more than ''i'm the best, you are an asshole'' i want to puke and blah blah.. She is mature enough to write reflexive songs, i guess. And she did in the past, Hush Hush, Let Me Go, Remember When... Like i said, a balance is what Love Sux suffers, both musically and thematically. well, that shows that tastes are really different, for me it's like the complete opposite of what you wrote. but that's okay. BUT I don't get the argument with "she's almost 40" like, okay, so what? I mean she absolutely doesn't look like almost 40 and it seems that she also doesn't feel like being almost 40 - and I mean, good for her, isn't it? I'm absolutely against the "you have to act your age". It's like such an old-fashioned attitude. And like you mentioned it correctly - she did A LOT of mature songs which mature lyrics. But it has always been a mix of mature and teenage/girly...
It's not ''acting the age'', it's more than that. I relate to her earlier songs written when she was a teenager more than these written when we are both 2 grown up women. This album is good for this generation like TBDT was for my generation, just the fact it ensambles the streaming standard of 30 minutes says it all. I think many of her older fans are over the rebel phase and the attitude of '' i'm the best, you are an asshole'' and want maybe some relatable reflexive songs, cuz when we grow we see more, understand more, think more. It's not just black and white, there is gray in the between. And maybe they just don't want to say it cuz, i don't know, they are just happy for her being happy and enthusiastic about an album since ages and they can't see things objectively.
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Post by mattosavage on Feb 24, 2022 12:06:39 GMT
The fact that TBDT at the time was dragged as hell and this album is/will be recieved well, bugs me a lot. I understand that after UMS, TBDT could have been shocking, even seeing her change of looks, i get that.. But really TBDT is something else compared to Love Sux. It had balance first of all, 12 different tracks, there were pop-rock songs with hip hop beats like Girlfriend, The Best Damn Thing, I Don't Have To Try balanced with the heaviest tracks like I Can Do Better and Everything Back But You to soft/pop rock tracks like Hot, Contagious(short song but it is a masterpiece) and Runway, until the 3 ballads. The production was insane and Dr Luke was able to blend his pop soul to the rock one of Avril and the result was outstanding and still fresh after 15 years. Love Sux is just too much, literally, too much. I didn't enjoy it at all, not that i was going to like it, but i thought it could have been like an old sister of TBDT, but i was wrong in some parts. It's just 12 I Can Do Betters. And let's be honest, her voice NOW does not suit to this genre AT ALL, too loudy, too ''chipmunk-y''.. when she will understand that her voice is suitable to songs like Crush, Tell Me It's Over or Goddess, well the world will end. Funny thing that i heard that the first 2 tracks are considered fillers. SHOOK. They are 2 of her best songs since Goodbye Lullaby another album where her vocals are shining than ever. These heavy instrumentals + with her current voice are not the best pair and i had to turn low the volume of the stereo. I know she has to have fun(it's been 84 years that she wants to have fun and says it and does it) but she's almost 40 and for God's sake, breaking up, love, growing out of love is more than ''i'm the best, you are an asshole'' i want to puke and blah blah.. She is mature enough to write reflexive songs, i guess. And she did in the past, Hush Hush, Let Me Go, Remember When... Like i said, a balance is what Love Sux suffers, both musically and thematically. You see I disagree with you here. I think your argument is based entirely on a matter of taste imo, and not on quality. Yes this new album is heavy and intense, and definitely many people will find it to be too much. But the instrumentation and style of this album is borderline heavy metal. Some people dig that level of intensity, others don’t. I personally think her voice perfectly suits this genre. The bratty, high-pitched shouty punk-bitch marries extremely well against these thrashing guitars and relentless sledge-hammer drums. (Just think Axl Rose with Guns and Roses, Gerard Way with My Chemical Romance, Yungblud, or a more alternative electronic example Alice Glass). Just calling the whole album 12 I Can Do Betters is very unfair and unwarranted imo. I’m a big fan of hard rock, punk, heavy metal and thrash metal, (and many of their pop alternatives), and I was fucking impressed by Love Sux honestly. It’s blatantly obvious that this album has had a lot of time and care put into it by some very competent musicians who really understand this genre. Every song is correctly mastered, rich, tight and full of texture, and importantly cohesive as a whole. And I don’t think Avril has sounded so confident and invigorating in years. The whole element of Punk was to be an assault on your ears. A protest. Hard hitting, aggressive, shouty, garish. It’s a style. It’s not designed to be pretty or light-hearted. And lets be honest here, Avril’s voice was just as loud and shouty on TBDT, and even more “chipmonk-y”, and I’ve personally always dug it either way. Imo, (again a matter of personal taste), I didn’t think her voice was well suited for styles like Memphis soul, jazz and blues such as Tell Me It’s Over and Crush. Those genres tend to suit deeper smoother croon vocals (Adele, Lana Del Rey, Billie Eillish etc.) Avril’s voice is naturally too shrill and jarring, and better suits classic rock genres. I’m not saying those songs aren’t good overall, but I personally didn’t think they payed off very well, nor were those song particularly well written or well made unfortunately. (But props to Avril for trying new things). You may not like the style and direction of Love Sux, but to brush it off as bad is just plain ignorant imo.
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Post by alessioo89 on Feb 24, 2022 12:15:24 GMT
Yeah, I remember that when HAW came out I was like "OMG, this is way better than AL". It didn't age like fine wine tho. And the problem is in the second half. For me, what saves that record is the Holy Trinity: HAW, Birdie and IFILWTD (expecially Birdie and IFILWTD... damn, they're dark and amazing). I don't totally dislike Dumb Blonde but it was totally out of place, and the fact that features Nicki Minaj is... cringey). Loved TMIO, even if it does sound weird in the album. I like Goddess to, if you move forward from bananas and pajamas. The rest is just mmeh for me, including IWIM, which was labelled as I'm With You part 2. Just no. The truth is that J. Rotem tracks would have fit better because they were more first half-ish, stylistically. But if he hadn't walked out we wouldn't have IFILWTD. Plus he was toxic and violent, so... thank god he's not in her life anymore. I am curious to see where Love Sux will be in a year from now, as you said! I remember that when TBDT came out I was like shocked and angry because it was so different from Let Go and Under My Skin which were (for me) a double masterpiece and those were my standards at the time. I ended up appreciating TBDT a lot years later (and now fits perfectly in my own top three Avril album chart) In the end it all comes down to a matter of taste doesn’t it. And thank god to rly. My issue with HAW is its overall execution. Avril clearly works best as a collaborative artist (LG, UMS, TBDT etc.) She is a capable song writer and sometimes really succeeds, but she definitely does lack a sense of finesse imo and her taste is sometimes questionable, as are her creative decisions. I remember being blown away by HAW (the song). It’s incredibly well made and well produced. Full of textures, layered instrumentation and soundscapes, her classic rock influences, a huge hard-hitting chorus etc… (it’s up there with the power levels of Adele and Florence + The Machine) and I was like “oh my god this album is gonna be fire” but then I was disappointed by nearly every other song on that album. I studied music technology at uni in London and made friends with some very talented and knowledgable music makers and whilst I still like some of the songs (Birdie, IFILWTD, Souvenir) I struggled to get past the albums sloppy skeletal instrumentation and bland cliché lyricism. I totally understood the kind of directions she was attempting and was all for it, but I was baffled by how many fundamental mistakes were being made all over the album, and that no one seemed to notice or even care. Eg. There are parts where the compression just suddenly disappears then comes right back in a beat and a half late, as if it was a mistake! It’s kinda inexcusable imo. I can look past the cheesiness of Goddess eg. but each part of the song jars into the next with no rhythmic flow etc. Even the mixing of Birdie and IFILWTD are skeletal and missing depth. I really don’t know what happened. Most of the songs are left quite empty and bland like unfinished demos. I don’t know who produced the songs but he definitely needs to go back to school imo. If each song had had the same care and treatment as the title track then it would have been an excellent album. Even the album cover (which was a lovely idea imo) was poorly edited on photoshop. Imo its just so unprofessional. Finesse is so important otherwise your work feels cheap and careless. Love Sux on the other hand you can tell immediately that these songs have had a huge amount of care and attention put into them by very competent music producers. The songs are rich, full and neat af. They may not be the musical style many of the fans were hoping for and yes they are still classic juvenile Avril, but the quality is there this time! Something thats been gradually decreasing more and more since the first three albums. I could go on and on lol Oooh I really love this insights! Please go on! That's the main issue with HAW, which is not layered enough. Some of the songs are really well written but the production i's just there, not layered and demo-ish as you wrote. Love Sux hits different and the production is way more structured. I'd love to hear more from you!
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Post by henryp92 on Feb 24, 2022 12:18:43 GMT
You see I disagree with you here. I think your argument is based entirely on a matter of taste imo, and not on quality. Like everybody have done for GL, AL and HAW for years. She has put many songs that are just incredibly well done and so unique in all her albums , yet Bite Me is regarded as her best work in ten years here. We all lean to what we lean .
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Post by heaven on Feb 24, 2022 12:21:27 GMT
You see I disagree with you here. I think your argument is based entirely on a matter of taste imo, and not on quality. Yes this new album is heavy and intense, and definitely many people will find it to be too much. But the instrumentation and style of this album is borderline heavy metal. Some people dig that level of intensity, others don’t. I personally think her voice perfectly suits this genre. The bratty, high-pitched shouty punk-bitch marries extremely well against these thrashing guitars and relentless sledge-hammer drums. (Just think Axl Rose with Guns and Roses, Gerard Way with My Chemical Romance, Yungblud, or a more alternative electronic example Alice Glass). Just calling the whole album 12 I Can Do Betters is very unfair and unwarranted imo. I’m a big fan of hard rock, punk, heavy metal and thrash metal, (and many of their pop alternatives), and I was fucking impressed by Love Sux honestly. It’s blatantly obvious that this album has had a lot of time and care put into it by some very competent musicians who really understand this genre. Every song is correctly mastered, rich, tight and full of texture, and importantly cohesive as a whole. And I don’t think Avril has sounded so confident and invigorating in years. The whole element of Punk was to be an assault on your ears. A protest. Hard hitting, aggressive, shouty, garish. It’s a style. It’s not designed to be pretty or light-hearted. And lets be honest here, Avril’s voice was just as loud and shouty on TBDT, and even more “chipmonk-y”, and I’ve personally always dug it either way. Imo, (again a matter of personal taste), I didn’t think her voice was well suited for styles like Memphis soul, jazz and blues such as Tell Me It’s Over and Crush. Those genres tend to suit deeper smoother croon vocals (Adele, Lana Del Rey, Billie Eillish etc.) Avril’s voice is naturally too shrill and jarring, and better suits classic rock genres. I’m not saying those songs aren’t good overall, but I personally didn’t think they payed off very well, nor were those song particularly well written or well made unfortunately. (But props to Avril for trying new things). You may not like the style and direction of Love Sux, but to brush it off as bad is just plain ignorant imo. It was obvious that i was talking about myself, my tastes, my way i see music.. call it ignorant is too much and i don't accept it. Don't agree with it? That's fine, but take my opinion down and just say that it's ignorant or between the lines i'm not educated enough to write about genres/music (''I think your argument is based entirely on a matter of taste imo, and not on quality.) well, take a step back and have some respect. I just think or sorry i must say PREFER The Best Damn Thing more. Is it a problem?
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Post by mattosavage on Feb 24, 2022 12:41:44 GMT
well, that shows that tastes are really different, for me it's like the complete opposite of what you wrote. but that's okay. BUT I don't get the argument with "she's almost 40" like, okay, so what? I mean she absolutely doesn't look like almost 40 and it seems that she also doesn't feel like being almost 40 - and I mean, good for her, isn't it? I'm absolutely against the "you have to act your age". It's like such an old-fashioned attitude. And like you mentioned it correctly - she did A LOT of mature songs which mature lyrics. But it has always been a mix of mature and teenage/girly...
It's not ''acting the age'', it's more than that. I relate to her earlier songs written when she was a teenager more than these written when we are both 2 grown up women. This album is good for this generation like TBDT was for my generation, just the fact it ensambles the streaming standard of 30 minutes says it all. I think many of her older fans are over the rebel phase and the attitude of '' i'm the best, you are an asshole'' and want maybe some relatable reflexive songs, cuz when we grow we see more, understand more, think more. It's not just black and white, there is gray in the between. And maybe they just don't want to say it cuz, i don't know, they are just happy for her being happy and enthusiastic about an album since ages and they can't see things objectively. Why does everything have to be so serious? Lol. Yes sure these new songs on Love Sux are silly and juvenile in subject matter but they’re purposely not taking themselves too seriously as a choice. They’re just having fun. I love all kinds of music, some with extremely serious or dark topics, others with no topics at all. And I also love music thats uplifting or just a good laugh. Avril’s done a ton of songs that are more serious and mature. Look at Give You What You Like for example. A song about a woman who is so lonely and starved of love that she fills that void with sex. Incredibly toxic and evocative subject matter. It’s also one of the very rare times Avril is coquettish in her music. Plus most of GL and HAW are more mature and serious. Theres nothing wrong with just having fun and acting like a kid no matter your age. Especially with the state of the world atm a silly fun album like this is exactly what we need. Love Sux (the song) is one of the funnest songs I think I’ve ever heard. Not sure how more ‘objective’ I can be here. If you want more relatable, reflexive and grown-up songs listen to Avril’s more mature songs or go find another artist. And regarding your statement on the modern streaming standards; 30 minute albums etc. Short songs are very vogue in music atm. It’s not so much a streaming strategy as it is following modern trends. I didn’t like it at first but it’s really grown on me. It’s encouraged artists to make their music tighter and neater. To make an affective song thats only 2.30 minutes long is a tricky craft.
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Post by Yolandi on Feb 24, 2022 13:08:33 GMT
yeah agreed, this album is just meant to be fun, Avril said so!
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