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Post by henryp92 on Mar 5, 2022 11:57:13 GMT
Some of you people not being able to separate melody from lyrics makes me really sad. There are many different talents out there and all should be praised for it. A designer doesn't have to be a good painter, the same way a photographer doesn't have to know anything about videography. I don't understand why writing the lyrics of a song that already has the chords and melodies is somehow "less" of a job and that it doesn't deserve the same credit. Yes... composing the song AND writing the lyrics too is impresive and should be praised too but not Avril writing her best song of her career ON HER OWN and people not taking that seriously lol.... I'm sorry but i really disagree with that type of thinking. As if Celine Dios is less of a vocalist bc she doesn't write her own lyrics or something like that. There's people really talented at composing and other at writing. Considering how weak of a writer Avril is AND what an amazing job she did with NH is just worth praising. I choose NH obviously. It's probably her saddest song and funny enough the one that can be related to the easiest and be more "personal" and it's not even about her. She did the opposite the only time she wrote a song about someone else LOL. I'm sorry, but even if NH is one of my all-time faves, the lyrics aint no piece of poetry. The novelty of the theme is great, and the bridge is nice, but the verses and the chorus are very simple writing. "Why she felt that way, she felt it, everyday" "Whe wants to go home, but nobody's home" "With no place to go, no place to go". NH is good because of the sums of its parts, rather than it having the greatest lyrics. Many other self-written Avril songs has better song writting. I was just reading BOAH yesterday and even that song goes somewhere else. And there is a difference between writting the full song solo or just writting the lyrics. She needs praise for coming up with full lyrics, sure, but that isn't writting music. It's writting lyrics, and that would be a fair comparison between the songs listed here, lyrics entirely made by Avril. Being able to produce and develop good melodies and armonies is a different expertise than writting lyrics. So NH is great, and you may think it has best lyrics of her self-written work, but as a song it isn't "entirely" made by her in comparison to the songs made GL-onwards. Not better or worse, just she didn't do the music part all by herself. I personally voted for IFILWTD in part because how amazed I am she came up with all the different parts, and participated in the production too! |
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Post by ame · 雨 on Mar 5, 2022 13:40:20 GMT
Well, simple lyrics doesn't mean they're "bad". I still disagree with the writing part. Self "written" it's written....not composed. I'm not sure about the english words, but there's a difference in composing a song and writing it. Composing (as i understand it) is coming up with the chords, the structure and melodies of the song, and "writing" a song, to me always meant the lyrics part. So... i don't get it. They're 2 different things to me. If it was "self-made 100%" then that would be another story.
And in no way i'm trashing her other solo written songs like Devil, as you said, but the topic of NH is just timeless, very relatable and she did it pretty beautiful in my opinion. The fact that she ryhmes very simialr words, if not the same seem to bother a lot of people here AND i get it... but even in poetry there's repetition in orther to enhance the meaning of what you're saying so to me: "she want to go home, but nobody is home" is just an emphasis of how lost she is and that there's nowhere she can go, like "you wanna go home? there's no home for you" lol.... repetition is not always bad when done correctly and even tho yes, NH is simple, is done in a beautiful way.
Not to mention the other lyrics "i couldn't help her i just watched her make the same mistakes again" or "that's where she lies (with no home) broken inside with no place to go to dry her eyes" "look outside and find the reasons why you've been rejected" (it's even deep enough to suggest that the person she's singing about is not a complete victim and that there is something she did wrong in orther for people to reject her. Like idk.... i love her self written songs but NH will always be the one where she seemed to go deeper than ever, probably bc it was not about her and therefore she wasn't afraid to get so "real".
As i do love Devil, there's no lyrics in that song that give me goosebumps. It's a good song and has pretty decent lyrics but it's not "deep" or "personal" enoguh for me.
But then again, my entire point was to defend lyrics being seperated from composition, as they should. You can be a good writter that just doesn't know how to put 2 chords together. That doesn't make you less of a writter, does it?.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 5, 2022 14:10:13 GMT
I never got the hype over NH tbh I really love when she performs it acoustically and it has some decent lyrics here and there but idk I just never vibed with this one the way others seem to. Always thought it was overrated as hell. I can appreciate what she wrote it about and that she tried something new with writing about someone else, but some of the lyrics just really aren’t that well written. And it’s kind of a sad and depressing song so it’s not one I’m ever in the mood for.
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Post by heaven on Mar 6, 2022 11:14:10 GMT
I never got the hate for she wants to go home, but nobody's home tbh. Maybe it was a choice? Like she wants to put the emphasis on the word ''home'' cuz the whole song is about a lost girl who is homeless.
It's the same thing when Swifties criticizin the rhyming face with face on Gorgeous when it was done on purpose cuz the guy is so handsome and she can't come up with something different to describe why she is into him, cuz yeah it's his face, just look at it, it's so perfect, it speaks by itself.
Nobody's Home is really well written, just like Don't Tell Me which in the hindsight is a really feminist song and with a more strong message than some of Love Sux songs.
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Post by chelseafaye on Mar 9, 2022 3:39:24 GMT
IFILWTD or BOAH!
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Post by human pig man on Mar 13, 2022 7:09:21 GMT
I am happy that Nobody's Home is in first place. I think the song is underrated and everyone does not talk about it.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 13, 2022 12:44:46 GMT
I am happy that Nobody's Home is in first place. I think the song is underrated and everyone does not talk about it. Nobody’s Home is one of her most talked about songs… if anything it’s actually overrated IMO |
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Post by niccolo on Mar 15, 2022 19:14:29 GMT
This constant discussion about "home" being rhymed with "home" is annoying - she was rhyming it with "go"
Rhyming structure
She wants to go home, but nobody's home A
That's where she lies B
broken inside B
With no place to go, no place to go A
To dry her eyes B
Broken inside B
I've never understood why this is irksome for so many people.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 15, 2022 20:09:54 GMT
This constant discussion about "home" being rhymed with "home" is annoying - she was rhyming it with "go" Rhyming structure She wants to go home, but nobody's home A That's where she lies B broken inside B With no place to go, no place to go A To dry her eyes B Broken inside B I've never understood why this is irksome for so many people. That's not what people are referencing. They're talking about the line "She wants to go home but nobody's home." It seems a little redundant, like if you were having a conversation with someone you wouldn't say it like that. You'd probably say "I wanted to go home but no one was there." You wouldn't say the exact same thing you just said, no one talks like that. So it sounds kind of awkward which is why people point it out. She honestly could have probably written that line a little better, like "She wants to go home but nobody's there/There's where she lies, in the middle of nowhere," I don't know something like that that conveys more than just "She wants to go home but nobody's home." |
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Post by niccolo on Mar 17, 2022 16:00:50 GMT
This constant discussion about "home" being rhymed with "home" is annoying - she was rhyming it with "go" Rhyming structure She wants to go home, but nobody's home A That's where she lies B broken inside B With no place to go, no place to go A To dry her eyes B Broken inside B I've never understood why this is irksome for so many people. That's not what people are referencing. They're talking about the line "She wants to go home but nobody's home." It seems a little redundant, like if you were having a conversation with someone you wouldn't say it like that. You'd probably say "I wanted to go home but no one was there." You wouldn't say the exact same thing you just said, no one talks like that. So it sounds kind of awkward which is why people point it out. She honestly could have probably written that line a little better, like "She wants to go home but nobody's there/There's where she lies, in the middle of nowhere," I don't know something like that that conveys more than just "She wants to go home but nobody's home." I get the criticism with the repetitiveness but i was addressing the people who specifically mentioned the rhyming "home" with "home". |
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Post by TamyXD on Mar 18, 2022 1:01:06 GMT
Where's the love for "Darlin"? I've loved this song since the first moment I listened to it, and I still do to this day. Yes, the chord progression is super simple and one of the most used ones out there. But I love the rhythm, the lyrics, and the overall simplicity of the song, with the focus on acoustic guitars and Avril's vocals (though that latter part is probably more of a production aspect). Lyrically, I think it's one of her best written songs. There's enough room for interpretation and it's one of few songs of hers that doesn't deal with a romantic relationship. I also still can't believe she wrote it when she was only 14 years old!
"Darlin" is currenlty very closely followed by BOAH, and closely followed by and TMA imo. BOAH is just such a fun song and has some funny lines and lots of sass. It's also easily the fastest of Avril's self-written songs. I honestly feel she really managed to get a bit out of her comfort zone with that one. Who knows, maybe in a few years' time, BOAH will have gotten a special place in my heart, too, and thus overtaken "Darlin"?
TMA is just such a banger and I like the topic of confusion, though I feel the lyrics could've dug a bit deeper into that feeling.
I also really like NH's lyrics and melodies (though Avril didn't write the music on her own, so that part shouldn't really count here, should it?), but I feel it gets a bit repetitive after a while (still love it, though).
Speaking about NH, I always thought she did rhyme "home" with "home", at least that's how I've always heard it. And I actually prefer that over rhyming "home" with "go", as that's not even a proper rhyme. I also don't mind rhyming "home" with "home" in that instance; it just flows really well imo. Same goes for the phrasing of that line "She wants to go home, but nobody's home". It puts a nice emphasis on "home". Does it sound like something someone would say? No, I agree, it really doesn't. But personally, I don't even much like lyrics that sound too conversational.
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Post by Jinkxx on Mar 19, 2022 15:23:13 GMT
Where's the love for "Darlin"? I've loved this song since the first moment I listened to it, and I still do to this day. Yes, the chord progression is super simple and one of the most used ones out there. But I love the rhythm, the lyrics, and the overall simplicity of the song, with the focus on acoustic guitars and Avril's vocals (though that latter part is probably more of a production aspect). Lyrically, I think it's one of her best written songs. There's enough room for interpretation and it's one of few songs of hers that doesn't deal with a romantic relationship. I also still can't believe she wrote it when she was only 14 years old! "Darlin" is currenlty very closely followed by BOAH, and closely followed by and TMA imo. BOAH is just such a fun song and has some funny lines and lots of sass. It's also easily the fastest of Avril's self-written songs. I honestly feel she really managed to get a bit out of her comfort zone with that one. Who knows, maybe in a few years' time, BOAH will have gotten a special place in my heart, too, and thus overtaken "Darlin"? TMA is just such a banger and I like the topic of confusion, though I feel the lyrics could've dug a bit deeper into that feeling. I also really like NH's lyrics and melodies (though Avril didn't write the music on her own, so that part shouldn't really count here, should it?), but I feel it gets a bit repetitive after a while (still love it, though). Speaking about NH, I always thought she did rhyme "home" with "home", at least that's how I've always heard it. And I actually prefer that over rhyming "home" with "go", as that's not even a proper rhyme. I also don't mind rhyming "home" with "home" in that instance; it just flows really well imo. Same goes for the phrasing of that line "She wants to go home, but nobody's home". It puts a nice emphasis on "home". Does it sound like something someone would say? No, I agree, it really doesn't. But personally, I don't even much like lyrics that sound too conversational. Here's more love for Darlin'!!! I really LOVE that song and it's so awesome to sing along with that one too! I immediately liked it at first listen and still love it as much as in 2011! But I voted for Remember When, that one will always have such a special place in my heart! |
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Post by ShiningStar_x on Mar 19, 2022 17:04:08 GMT
I voted for Falling Fast. Such a lovely song, but I also really love all the others on the list
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Post by katy on Mar 20, 2022 16:17:32 GMT
I voted for Falling Fast. Such a lovely song, but I also really love all the others on the list "It doesn't matter what we do, you make everything seem brighter" “I never knew I needed you like a sad song needs a sea of lighters” is so beautiful too! I forget the lyrics in FF are so sweet. |
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Post by Meteora on Mar 21, 2022 21:11:10 GMT
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