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Post by katy on Oct 18, 2023 18:24:18 GMT
Yeah I don’t necessarily think she should get personal on other people, but there can’t be anything stopping her talking about her perspective on relationships, marrying young/quickly and working with partners, she doesn’t need to dish dirt on them personally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 18:36:21 GMT
Yeah I don’t necessarily think she should get personal on other people, but there can’t be anything stopping her talking about her perspective on relationships, marrying young/quickly and working with partners, she doesn’t need to dish dirt on them personally. Yeah like Deryck be like "We met and marrid young and he helped me with 2 of my albums. Yadda yadda yadda we;'re still really good friends and support each other through everythinng. We just realized we got married too young plus other issues (idk if shell mention alcohol addiction but i feel like that was one of the reasons" And Chad "My ex husband Chad Kroeger helped me so much with my lyme disease, obv my self titled album, and hes been a great friend. I wish it worked out better romantically for us but it is what it is you know. (cue soft Avril laugh) But Im forever thankful for bo th my ex husbands because they helped me and were so supportive of me and my career. Both CHad ND Deryck ims till really good friends with" For Mod..... idk if he does ever mention him again be like "AND to my ex fiance, thanks for love sux. and for making love sux again."
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Oct 18, 2023 18:41:37 GMT
How can you wish or celebrate the idea of having her relationships as the main subject of a documentary about her CAREER? Geez, I'm a fan. I want unseen images, untold stories about her work, new footage of her world tours. I think casual listeners already had their spotlight over the years on her tours mostly. This doc will be a great oportunity to explore her artistry and show how talented she is. I don’t think anyone said it should be the main subject, but because it needs to be interesting enough for the general public if it’s ever going to see the light of day. So she needs to give something more personal. Can’t show her artistry if nobody is watching. Plus it’d actually be quite interesting to hear her thoughts on it all imo, she worked with all her husbands/fiancés and most boyfriends You all talk about Avril as if she hasn't sold out concerts in many countries over the last era serving the bare minimum as an artist and performer. She has a solid fanbase and guaranteed audience only because of what she achieved on the first 5 years of her career. Creative process is a great kind of content to get some attention from the general public. I imagine how interesting is her perspective on "love" subject considering the deep songwriting of Love Sux and many other recent love songs released by her. lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 18:42:53 GMT
I don’t think anyone said it should be the main subject, but because it needs to be interesting enough for the general public if it’s ever going to see the light of day. So she needs to give something more personal. Can’t show her artistry if nobody is watching. Plus it’d actually be quite interesting to hear her thoughts on it all imo, she worked with all her husbands/fiancés and most boyfriends You all talk about Avril as if she hasn't sold out concerts in many countries over the last era serving the bare minimum as an artist and performer. She has a solid fanbase and guaranteed audience only because of what she achieved on the first 5 years of her career. Creative process is a great kind of content to get some attention from the general public. I imagine how interesting is her perspective on "love" subject considering the deep songwriting of Love Sux and many other recent love songs released by her. lol Av needs to team up with Taylor Swift!!!!
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Post by damncoldnights on Oct 18, 2023 18:45:23 GMT
How can you wish or celebrate the idea of having her relationships as the main subject of a documentary about her CAREER? Geez, I'm a fan. I want unseen images, untold stories about her work, new footage of her world tours. I think casual listeners already had their spotlight over the years on her tours mostly. This doc will be a great oportunity to explore her artistry and show how talented she is. I can only speak for myself, but my thought process is that her career is based upon the fact that she's a singer who writes her own songs based on the things she goes through. IMO you can't really separate her career -her songs- from her relationships because that's what she mainly writes about. And her career is mainly being a singer-songwriter, but as a celebrity -which is an aspect of her career- her personal life does affect her career; in addition to basing her songs on her personal life, the general public is aware of who she's dating/married to/getting divorced from, and it's definitely affected the public's opinion of her. Nickelback jokes for example. She got dragged by people for dating/marrying Chad because people love to make fun of Nickelback. People commented that they started taking her less seriously. I definitely want to hear untold stories and stuff we haven't heard/seen before, absolutely. I also want her to talk about writing her songs, and discussing them. I want to hear about the inspiration for them (within reason) to better understand her as an artist and the songs themselves. For example, and not that it has to be this deep, but in light of the Justin Timberlake talking Britney into having an abortion, overnight her song "Everytime" has such a drastically different meaning, same with the music video for the song. Dare to Love Me is an example where she touches broadly on her fears of falling in love again after all her heartbreak, it's a fairly deep and introspective song by her standards, and if she were to talk about aspects to breakups other than "I was treated wrong and I deserve better, so I broke up with him, and I'm still mad about how I was treated," it could make the song that much more powerful/moving. I don't think anyone here is like saying she should talk about her exes and the details of the breakups, I think we're just saying it could put her songs in a different light if she were to reflect on her feelings (more than just anger and nausea) during the breakups. And for me personally, and I know this isn't how everyone feels, but I'm the type of fan that does want to know about her personal life (like what she willingly shares, not if someone were to tell stuff that isn't there's to tell). As much as I find the unseen stuff cool, I also want to hear her thoughts/opinions/reflections about her career, not just unknown facts surrounding it I guess. Edit: in regards to the documentary needing to contain more than just straight up career stuff for people to be interested: I believe this is true for any artist, whether it was Michael Jackson or Taylor or Rihanna or Ed Sheeran: fans will engage in any content, but people who only know of the artist and maybe like a few songs are IMO not very likely to watch a documentary just detailing their creative process and career. Like I enjoy some of Taylor's music especially Red onward, but I don't really consider myself a fan -however, I've been tempted to watch Miss Americana because I know it discusses her as a person, her struggles and triumphs, and some high-profile events surrounding her (the assault case for example). I'd be far more interested in getting to know more about her as a person cause I don't care so much for career stuff. Obviously fans are interested in that stuff, though. I just think that nowadays, people have such short attention spans (thanks Twitter) and seem to be more into juicy gossip stuff, so non-fans are more likely to watch it being curious about, for example, Chavril being the Canadian royal couple or if she were to talk about how she had to fight to be taken seriously as a teenage girl in a male dominated industry.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Oct 18, 2023 18:46:13 GMT
You all talk about Avril as if she hasn't sold out concerts in many countries over the last era serving the bare minimum as an artist and performer. She has a solid fanbase and guaranteed audience only because of what she achieved on the first 5 years of her career. Creative process is a great kind of content to get some attention from the general public. I imagine how interesting is her perspective on "love" subject considering the deep songwriting of Love Sux and many other recent love songs released by her. lol Av needs to team up with Taylor Swift!!!! different artists nowadays. its not gonna happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 18:49:24 GMT
How can you wish or celebrate the idea of having her relationships as the main subject of a documentary about her CAREER? Geez, I'm a fan. I want unseen images, untold stories about her work, new footage of her world tours. I think casual listeners already had their spotlight over the years on her tours mostly. This doc will be a great oportunity to explore her artistry and show how talented she is. I can only speak for myself, but my thought process is that her career is based upon the fact that she's a singer who writes her own songs based on the things she goes through. IMO you can't really separate her career -her songs- from her relationships because that's what she mainly writes about. And her career is mainly being a singer-songwriter, but as a celebrity -which is an aspect of her career- her personal life does affect her career; in addition to basing her songs on her personal life, the general public is aware of who she's dating/married to/getting divorced from, and it's definitely affected the public's opinion of her. Nickelback jokes for example. She got dragged by people for dating/marrying Chad because people love to make fun of Nickelback. People commented that they started taking her less seriously. I definitely want to hear untold stories and stuff we haven't heard/seen before, absolutely. I also want her to talk about writing her songs, and discussing them. I want to hear about the inspiration for them (within reason) to better understand her as an artist and the songs themselves. For example, and not that it has to be this deep, but in light of the Justin Timberlake talking Britney into having an abortion, overnight her song "Everytime" has such a drastically different meaning, same with the music video for the song. Dare to Love Me is an example where she touches broadly on her fears of falling in love again after all her heartbreak, it's a fairly deep and introspective song by her standards, and if she were to talk about aspects to breakups other than "I was treated wrong and I deserve better, so I broke up with him, and I'm still mad about how I was treated," it could make the song that much more powerful/moving. I don't think anyone here is like saying she should talk about her exes and the details of the breakups, I think we're just saying it could put her songs in a different light if she were to reflect on her feelings (more than just anger and nausea) during the breakups. And for me personally, and I know this isn't how everyone feels, but I'm the type of fan that does want to know about her personal life (like what she willingly shares, not if someone were to tell stuff that isn't there's to tell). As much as I find the unseen stuff cool, I also want to hear her thoughts/opinions/reflections about her career, not just unknown facts surrounding it I guess. Oh speaking of Nickelback they have a docuemnatry coming too they jsut premeired it at TIFF< and its about them but also share some personal stories and how people loved to shit on them. So hopefully its something like that that.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Oct 18, 2023 18:51:39 GMT
How can you wish or celebrate the idea of having her relationships as the main subject of a documentary about her CAREER? Geez, I'm a fan. I want unseen images, untold stories about her work, new footage of her world tours. I think casual listeners already had their spotlight over the years on her tours mostly. This doc will be a great oportunity to explore her artistry and show how talented she is. I can only speak for myself, but my thought process is that her career is based upon the fact that she's a singer who writes her own songs based on the things she goes through. IMO you can't really separate her career -her songs- from her relationships because that's what she mainly writes about. And her career is mainly being a singer-songwriter, but as a celebrity -which is an aspect of her career- her personal life does affect her career; in addition to basing her songs on her personal life, the general public is aware of who she's dating/married to/getting divorced from, and it's definitely affected the public's opinion of her. Nickelback jokes for example. She got dragged by people for dating/marrying Chad because people love to make fun of Nickelback. People commented that they started taking her less seriously. I definitely want to hear untold stories and stuff we haven't heard/seen before, absolutely. I also want her to talk about writing her songs, and discussing them. I want to hear about the inspiration for them (within reason) to better understand her as an artist and the songs themselves. For example, and not that it has to be this deep, but in light of the Justin Timberlake talking Britney into having an abortion, overnight her song "Everytime" has such a drastically different meaning, same with the music video for the song. Dare to Love Me is an example where she touches broadly on her fears of falling in love again after all her heartbreak, it's a fairly deep and introspective song by her standards, and if she were to talk about aspects to breakups other than "I was treated wrong and I deserve better, so I broke up with him, and I'm still mad about how I was treated," it could make the song that much more powerful/moving. I don't think anyone here is like saying she should talk about her exes and the details of the breakups, I think we're just saying it could put her songs in a different light if she were to reflect on her feelings (more than just anger and nausea) during the breakups. And for me personally, and I know this isn't how everyone feels, but I'm the type of fan that does want to know about her personal life (like what she willingly shares, not if someone were to tell stuff that isn't there's to tell). As much as I find the unseen stuff cool, I also want to hear her thoughts/opinions/reflections about her career, not just unknown facts surrounding it I guess. Avril became so shallow with her songwriting. I think we're all wishing that explained something more thoughtful and deep coming from her songs, especially post-2007. The ghostwriting on Let Go and Under My Skin might be the main reason why she defines those 2 albums based on her clothing style at that period. Besides DTM and other song here and there, we haven't seen her talking about the personal experiences in those lyrics.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 18:52:46 GMT
I can only speak for myself, but my thought process is that her career is based upon the fact that she's a singer who writes her own songs based on the things she goes through. IMO you can't really separate her career -her songs- from her relationships because that's what she mainly writes about. And her career is mainly being a singer-songwriter, but as a celebrity -which is an aspect of her career- her personal life does affect her career; in addition to basing her songs on her personal life, the general public is aware of who she's dating/married to/getting divorced from, and it's definitely affected the public's opinion of her. Nickelback jokes for example. She got dragged by people for dating/marrying Chad because people love to make fun of Nickelback. People commented that they started taking her less seriously. I definitely want to hear untold stories and stuff we haven't heard/seen before, absolutely. I also want her to talk about writing her songs, and discussing them. I want to hear about the inspiration for them (within reason) to better understand her as an artist and the songs themselves. For example, and not that it has to be this deep, but in light of the Justin Timberlake talking Britney into having an abortion, overnight her song "Everytime" has such a drastically different meaning, same with the music video for the song. Dare to Love Me is an example where she touches broadly on her fears of falling in love again after all her heartbreak, it's a fairly deep and introspective song by her standards, and if she were to talk about aspects to breakups other than "I was treated wrong and I deserve better, so I broke up with him, and I'm still mad about how I was treated," it could make the song that much more powerful/moving. I don't think anyone here is like saying she should talk about her exes and the details of the breakups, I think we're just saying it could put her songs in a different light if she were to reflect on her feelings (more than just anger and nausea) during the breakups. And for me personally, and I know this isn't how everyone feels, but I'm the type of fan that does want to know about her personal life (like what she willingly shares, not if someone were to tell stuff that isn't there's to tell). As much as I find the unseen stuff cool, I also want to hear her thoughts/opinions/reflections about her career, not just unknown facts surrounding it I guess. Avril became so shallow with her songwriting. I think we're all wishing that explained something more thoughtful and deep coming from her songs, especially post-2007. The ghostwriting on Let Go and Under My Skin might the main reason why she defines those 2 albums based on her clothing style at that period. Besides DTM and other song here and there, we haven't seen her talking about the personal experiences in those lyrics. Her deepest most personal and saddest song always will be Slipped Away. I want more songs like that
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Post by katy on Oct 18, 2023 19:54:32 GMT
How can you wish or celebrate the idea of having her relationships as the main subject of a documentary about her CAREER? Geez, I'm a fan. I want unseen images, untold stories about her work, new footage of her world tours. I think casual listeners already had their spotlight over the years on her tours mostly. This doc will be a great oportunity to explore her artistry and show how talented she is. I can only speak for myself, but my thought process is that her career is based upon the fact that she's a singer who writes her own songs based on the things she goes through. IMO you can't really separate her career -her songs- from her relationships because that's what she mainly writes about. And her career is mainly being a singer-songwriter, but as a celebrity -which is an aspect of her career- her personal life does affect her career; in addition to basing her songs on her personal life, the general public is aware of who she's dating/married to/getting divorced from, and it's definitely affected the public's opinion of her. Nickelback jokes for example. She got dragged by people for dating/marrying Chad because people love to make fun of Nickelback. People commented that they started taking her less seriously. I definitely want to hear untold stories and stuff we haven't heard/seen before, absolutely. I also want her to talk about writing her songs, and discussing them. I want to hear about the inspiration for them (within reason) to better understand her as an artist and the songs themselves. For example, and not that it has to be this deep, but in light of the Justin Timberlake talking Britney into having an abortion, overnight her song "Everytime" has such a drastically different meaning, same with the music video for the song. Dare to Love Me is an example where she touches broadly on her fears of falling in love again after all her heartbreak, it's a fairly deep and introspective song by her standards, and if she were to talk about aspects to breakups other than "I was treated wrong and I deserve better, so I broke up with him, and I'm still mad about how I was treated," it could make the song that much more powerful/moving. I don't think anyone here is like saying she should talk about her exes and the details of the breakups, I think we're just saying it could put her songs in a different light if she were to reflect on her feelings (more than just anger and nausea) during the breakups. And for me personally, and I know this isn't how everyone feels, but I'm the type of fan that does want to know about her personal life (like what she willingly shares, not if someone were to tell stuff that isn't there's to tell). As much as I find the unseen stuff cool, I also want to hear her thoughts/opinions/reflections about her career, not just unknown facts surrounding it I guess. Edit: in regards to the documentary needing to contain more than just straight up career stuff for people to be interested: I believe this is true for any artist, whether it was Michael Jackson or Taylor or Rihanna or Ed Sheeran: fans will engage in any content, but people who only know of the artist and maybe like a few songs are IMO not very likely to watch a documentary just detailing their creative process and career. Like I enjoy some of Taylor's music especially Red onward, but I don't really consider myself a fan -however, I've been tempted to watch Miss Americana because I know it discusses her as a person, her struggles and triumphs, and some high-profile events surrounding her (the assault case for example). I'd be far more interested in getting to know more about her as a person cause I don't care so much for career stuff. Obviously fans are interested in that stuff, though. I just think that nowadays, people have such short attention spans (thanks Twitter) and seem to be more into juicy gossip stuff, so non-fans are more likely to watch it being curious about, for example, Chavril being the Canadian royal couple or if she were to talk about how she had to fight to be taken seriously as a teenage girl in a male dominated industry. Agree with all of this but “more than just anger and nausea” cracked me up lmao
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Post by shessolucky on Oct 18, 2023 19:57:30 GMT
I couldnt care less about all the private / relashionship stuff. I dont like all those personal stuff in documentaries of other artists as well. I mean I love to watch literally everything you can find out there about avril, sure, but her love life is like the least interesting part to me. I want the documentary being about herself, her music, career, tour, studio... not anyone else. I'd love her to go through the eras like that or talk about how she managed to get back on her feet after having lyme and how it changed her.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Oct 18, 2023 21:25:44 GMT
I'm sure Avril's relationships were way better than Britney's. The whole narrative about Britney's romantic life is way more tragic and definitive for career. I don't see Avril's relationships as a significant part of her musical career or mental health.
I don't imagine a documentary about Avril's career whithout focusing on the Lyme chapter. It had a huge impact on her perpective of life. I could also say that it might be only "profund" topic about her career over the 2010s.
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Post by eismann on Oct 18, 2023 21:29:37 GMT
I guess for an interesting documentary she would have to open up about something secret that not even her fans know. Like an overcome addiction, a miscarriage or something. And I dont see her doing that.
She doesnt want to talk about Lyme, she has nothing interesting to say about her lyrics, she doesnt talk details about growing up as a woman in the music business etc. She clearly doesnt want to open up.
I really dont think we will see this documentary happen...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 18, 2023 22:13:09 GMT
I would love to hear about her battles with the record labels. At least if she doesn’t want to open up about anything personal, surely that could be compelling? She’s had record label issues nearly every album. She could discuss fighting for her image as an artist and getting the label to see her vision, or having to compromise on certain things. The times she let them make the decisions (DTM vs MHE), whether or not she’d do things over again differently, etc.
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Oct 18, 2023 23:54:37 GMT
I think there's a lot she can put on the documentary. Each era she kind of always have a little scrap book that she keeps repeating over and over again, outside of that it must be thousands of new stories just waiting to be told, things more personal and thoughts that she could and should put on it if she's working on something covering her life/career. Documentaries are supposed to be unconfortable and push some limits. It don't need to be "keeping up with with the kardashians", but she definitely should get more personal on it
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