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Post by orangesky on Oct 19, 2023 20:29:37 GMT
It's hard to say with GL because we don't know most of what was on the original album. Only a few songs survived to the version we eventually got. Plus, if it had been released in late 2009 as planned it probably would have done better just because she was a big star then and the delay probably let her fame cool down too much.
The labels want to make money but, according to her, for GL they wanted to completely change everything, not compromise. They wanted her to chase the 'urban' sound on radio. She never had a problem compromising before, like working with Dr Luke or writing MHE to please the label, and she did on GL too, writing more radio friendly songs but keeping them in her own style. It sounds like people at the label didn't want to compromise so much as dictate her sound
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Oct 19, 2023 21:04:39 GMT
GL it's an interesting case because pop music was going to a complete overhaul. Pop rock was dying down to be replaced by edm. Even her contemporaries like pink and kelly went more electronic to survive that switch. Everything worked against her and that hiatus completely changed her career, even her way of thinking changed a lot, and I feel like she became more insecure with her own ideas from that point till she started working on LS, then she restored the confidence and faith on herself and what she really wanted to do with an album.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 21:09:03 GMT
It's hard to say with GL because we don't know most of what was on the original album. Only a few songs survived to the version we eventually got. Plus, if it had been released in late 2009 as planned it probably would have done better just because she was a big star then and the delay probably let her fame cool down too much. The labels want to make money but, according to her, for GL they wanted to completely change everything, not compromise. They wanted her to chase the 'urban' sound on radio. She never had a problem compromising before, like working with Dr Luke or writing MHE to please the label, and she did on GL too, writing more radio friendly songs but keeping them in her own style. It sounds like people at the label didn't want to compromise so much as dictate her sound Wait MHE was to please the label? Thats awkward cuz i love that song i think its her best song
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Post by panop on Oct 19, 2023 21:26:14 GMT
It's hard to say with GL because we don't know most of what was on the original album. Only a few songs survived to the version we eventually got. Plus, if it had been released in late 2009 as planned it probably would have done better just because she was a big star then and the delay probably let her fame cool down too much. The labels want to make money but, according to her, for GL they wanted to completely change everything, not compromise. They wanted her to chase the 'urban' sound on radio. She never had a problem compromising before, like working with Dr Luke or writing MHE to please the label, and she did on GL too, writing more radio friendly songs but keeping them in her own style. It sounds like people at the label didn't want to compromise so much as dictate her sound Wait MHE was to please the label? Thats awkward cuz i love that song i think its her best song MHE nope..she even wanted this to be her first single(her favourite of the record)..but RCA didn't. WTH on the other hand..was the case
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Oct 19, 2023 21:30:00 GMT
It's funny how with this era we don't even have a single song registered yet. I don't really remember if we had with LS, but again, back then we had the entire(almost) tracklist out. Like, if Avril comes out with a t-shirt with the name of the single on it we wouldn't even noticed this time. Bite Me was robbed of that "surprise" moment
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Post by biggerwow on Oct 19, 2023 21:32:23 GMT
I blame the labels but she's not perfect either. There are some songs on GL/AL that I can't believe stayed. Or that some of those songs were the best she could come up with if the label told her to go back to the drawing board. Especially since HAW had some of the same issues albeit a better album overall. It seems like she had almost no label interference then. Although she did say professional songwriters sucked so maybe something did happening but I'm willing to bet she just hates professional environments. I don't think it's easy working with Avril Lavigne. It seems to be her way or the highway and you could hear it in her songs. Makes me wonder what her relationships are like which is why I still believe she should have a personal life aspect to her documentary and include Lyme since don't well all want the answer to our theory every time she performs live. Is Lyme affecting her performances? Or she really doesn't want to play a long setlist anymore because everythign has to be singles 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 22:07:46 GMT
It's funny how with this era we don't even have a single song registered yet. I don't really remember if we had with LS, but again, back then we had the entire(almost) tracklist out. Like, if Avril comes out with a t-shirt with the name of the single on it we wouldn't even noticed this time. Bite Me was robbed of that "surprise" moment I’m loving that honestly. Very secretive. I’m gonna take a wing. I think the lead single or a song ont be album is titled Up in Flames.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 22:53:55 GMT
Ok so Im listening to UMS and i just love how angry it is but also sad with slipped away. aand i thought... this is what Av should do for AL8, And maybe some trap elements too in it Try something new while resorting to her best album. She just went through an angry break up, shes being thrown around in public being called a slut and whore by her ex's friends. The media was all up her ass. This is her reputation/UMS 2.0 era, like come on Av give us something angry. Plus a sad ehartfelt balald. Imagine this AL8 is her Reputation era, and Taylor releases reputation TV and Avril is on it. That would be insane.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Oct 19, 2023 23:13:18 GMT
When you have a great well-elaborated songwriting:
Take notes, Avril! I know you can.
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Post by orangesky on Oct 19, 2023 23:52:36 GMT
Wait MHE was to please the label? Thats awkward cuz i love that song i think its her best song MHE nope..she even wanted this to be her first single(her favourite of the record)..but RCA didn't. WTH on the other hand..was the case I recall (though I may be wrong) MHE coming at the end of the UMS sessions because the label felt they needed a song for the radio and asked her to keep writing. It definitely wasn't on the original tracklists that leaked, I remember that. Just because she ended up really liking the song doesn't mean it wasn't something that only happened because the label requested it. That's how a good compromise works. The label wanted something to be a radio hit and she agreed, writing something with that in mind that also fit the feel of the album and that she enjoyed too.
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Post by orangesky on Oct 19, 2023 23:59:34 GMT
GL it's an interesting case because pop music was going to a complete overhaul. Pop rock was dying down to be replaced by edm. Even her contemporaries like pink and kelly went more electronic to survive that switch. Everything worked against her and that hiatus completely changed her career, even her way of thinking changed a lot, and I feel like she became more insecure with her own ideas from that point till she started working on LS, then she restored the confidence and faith on herself and what she really wanted to do with an album. I've definitely always gotten the feeling she was hit on a personal level by the whole GL debacle and it knocked her confidence. She fought for that album and then it wasn't very successful. Her first 3 album had all been huge so she'd never faced being really wrong over a choice in her career before, plus getting divorced on top of it. The peak of her career was over and she was still only in her mid-20s. She seemed to go into AL not trusting herself and with no clear plan for the first time, being influenced by the label and her cowriters. Then Lyme and a second divorce couldn't have helped her confidence much for HAW so she kept delaying and rewriting etc. LS is the first time she seemed like she had some confidence back, hopefully it lasts into AL8
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Post by panop on Oct 20, 2023 0:32:21 GMT
MHE nope..she even wanted this to be her first single(her favourite of the record)..but RCA didn't. WTH on the other hand..was the case I recall (though I may be wrong) MHE coming at the end of the UMS sessions because the label felt they needed a song for the radio and asked her to keep writing. It definitely wasn't on the original tracklists that leaked, I remember that. Just because she ended up really liking the song doesn't mean it wasn't something that only happened because the label requested it. That's how a good compromise works. The label wanted something to be a radio hit and she agreed, writing something with that in mind that also fit the feel of the album and that she enjoyed too. was "don't tell me" on the original track list? ('cause if it was....then it's weird that the label didn't want MHE to be the lead single)
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Post by biggerwow on Oct 20, 2023 0:47:28 GMT
Yall should listen to The Best Damn Avril Lavigne Podcast Bo did some great episodes deep diving into each album.
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Post by gabbox on Oct 20, 2023 8:23:29 GMT
If I remember correctly, There was a poll on her website asking which song should be first single, after listening to a snippet of "Daydream" and "Don't Tell Me". DTM won and was released as first single. Weirdly, Daydream was not even included in the album and it never leaked.
Avril wanted MHE to be the first single, but the label didn't want it - so it was released as 2nd single and it had even more success.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 20, 2023 12:17:06 GMT
Yall should listen to The Best Damn Avril Lavigne Podcast Bo did some great episodes deep diving into each album. Haha thanks for the plug!
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