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Post by orangesky on Oct 27, 2023 21:03:36 GMT
We all listened to Love Sux and that's why we'e worried. Yes-people surround her for more than one decade. I'm just so sick of basic song lyrics. Well, Avril never wrote deep lyrics by just herself. She has been always so simple and silly. I guess her best lyrics are I fell in love with the devil. For the record, all the songs Avril has sole credit for the lyrics: - Take Me Away - Don't Tell me - Nobody's Home - Freak Out - Black Star - Stop Standing There - 4 Real - Darlin - Remember When - Goodbye - Alice - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet - Falling Fast - I Fell In Love With The Devil - Dare To Love Me - Break Of A Heartache
That's hardly a run of songs with simple or silly lyrics imo.
I do think people automatically dismiss the lyrics in songs that are more upbeat though and give more credit to midtempo/ballad songs. I think people also get swayed by the topic and whether it makes them feel something because of that topic, like Avalanche. If they can't relate the lyrics are bad, if the song has interesting imagery and wordplay and more diverse vocabulary but is a breakup/more upbeat song it must be bad etc.
I definitely think lyrics can take a backseat to the melody and overall feel at times when she's focusing on keeping things upbeat. And I also think she considers good lyrics as ones that convey the feeling she wants people to feel when listening rather than judging them just on how intersting the words she uses are etc which isn't really wrong, just a different way of looking at things I guess
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 27, 2023 22:32:01 GMT
Yes I’d argue most of her self writtens (excluding stuff like Black Star which barely counts as a song) are some of her strongest work, even better than some of her cowrites.
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Post by TomX on Oct 27, 2023 22:41:34 GMT
I my opinion, Break Of A Heartache is possibly one of her best self-written songs ever. It mustn't be easy to write a song with such fast pace and make it sound catchy and clever.
Oh, you did it to me once, you'll do it to me twice
I'm not in the mood to go and roll the dice
Dealt a shitty hand, you'll never understand
I cancelled all the plans, don't you want another chance today?
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Nah, I don't wanna feel another rip, 'nother strain
'Nother bruise, 'nother break of a heartache
These parts are so good, catchy and well-written. Shows how she's capable of getting out of her lyrical comfort zone to take some creative risks. People tend to look over these lyrics just because it's bratty and boy-bashing, and maybe because it's such a short song, but I think she made an amazing job with it and it showcases her writing skills. You don't always need a super serious song to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 22:47:44 GMT
I my opinion, Break Of A Heartache is possibly one of her best self-written songs ever. It mustn't be easy to write a song with such fast pace and make it sound catchy and clever. Oh, you did it to me once, you'll do it to me twice I'm not in the mood to go and roll the dice Dealt a shitty hand, you'll never understand I cancelled all the plans, don't you want another chance today? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nah, I don't wanna feel another rip, 'nother strain 'Nother bruise, 'nother break of a heartache These parts are so good, catchy and well-written. Shows how she's capable of getting out of her lyrical comfort zone to take some creative risks. People tend to look over these lyrics just because it's bratty and boy-bashing, and maybe because it's such a short song, but I think she made an amazing job with it and it showcases her writing skills. You don't always need a super serious song to do that. I listened to dare to love me and Break of a heartache after you guys mentioned it and lyrically those are really strong and kinda feel more personal and introspective into Avril kinda. I love both those songs |
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Post by afonso16 on Oct 27, 2023 23:49:54 GMT
I my opinion, Break Of A Heartache is possibly one of her best self-written songs ever. It mustn't be easy to write a song with such fast pace and make it sound catchy and clever. Oh, you did it to me once, you'll do it to me twice I'm not in the mood to go and roll the dice Dealt a shitty hand, you'll never understand I cancelled all the plans, don't you want another chance today? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nah, I don't wanna feel another rip, 'nother strain 'Nother bruise, 'nother break of a heartache These parts are so good, catchy and well-written. Shows how she's capable of getting out of her lyrical comfort zone to take some creative risks. People tend to look over these lyrics just because it's bratty and boy-bashing, and maybe because it's such a short song, but I think she made an amazing job with it and it showcases her writing skills. You don't always need a super serious song to do that. I listened to dare to love me and Break of a heartache after you guys mentioned it and lyrically those are really strong and kinda feel more personal and introspective into Avril kinda. I love both those songs I find Dare To Love Me to be one of the weakest ballads of her career |
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Post by afonso16 on Oct 28, 2023 0:07:21 GMT
I my opinion, Break Of A Heartache is possibly one of her best self-written songs ever. It mustn't be easy to write a song with such fast pace and make it sound catchy and clever. Oh, you did it to me once, you'll do it to me twice I'm not in the mood to go and roll the dice Dealt a shitty hand, you'll never understand I cancelled all the plans, don't you want another chance today? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nah, I don't wanna feel another rip, 'nother strain 'Nother bruise, 'nother break of a heartache These parts are so good, catchy and well-written. Shows how she's capable of getting out of her lyrical comfort zone to take some creative risks. People tend to look over these lyrics just because it's bratty and boy-bashing, and maybe because it's such a short song, but I think she made an amazing job with it and it showcases her writing skills. You don't always need a super serious song to do that.
Everyone knows that, most of the songs from Let Go are extremely clever and they're not all "I'm With You" type ballads... The majority of LS is not any of that, however. Songs like Deja Vu and FU have such atrocious lyrics that I literally cannot listen to them, despite finding them extremely catchy. It just ruins the songs for me. |
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Oct 28, 2023 0:41:57 GMT
The problem with Dare to Love Me for me is the production. I feel like the song gets stuck in the middle. It should be more powerful or very stripped-down. You could totally see that she really wasn't in a mood for ballads on Love Sux because she can do much better in that department. I agree about BOAH, tho. I feel like it is such an underrated track. It closes the album perfectly, and the connection with Cannonball is so well done. Her last closing track (Warrior) didn't do it for me. We are probably going for a ballad again on AL8 as the final track. Hope is as good as Naked, SA, and Hush Hush (my personal trinity).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 0:48:04 GMT
The problem with Dare to Love Me for me is the production. I feel like the song gets stuck in the middle. It should be more powerful or very stripped-down. You could totally see that she really wasn't in a mood for ballads on Love Sux because she can do much better in that department. I agree about BOAH, tho. I feel like it is such an underrated track. It closes the album perfectly, and the connection with Cannonball is so well done. Her last closing track (Warrior) didn't do it for me. We are probably going for a ballad again on AL8 as the final track. Hope is as good as Naked, SA, and Hush Hush (my personal trinity). YES!!! Naked is really good but inferior imo to SA and Hush Hush which are incredible. If we get songs as good as that and as good of those closing tracks ill be so happy. |
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Post by lucasm on Oct 28, 2023 3:26:28 GMT
Why do I get emotional about this?
i love you Av
for an acoustic vibe track on AL8 <3
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Post by avocadil on Oct 28, 2023 9:49:45 GMT
I listened to dare to love me and Break of a heartache after you guys mentioned it and lyrically those are really strong and kinda feel more personal and introspective into Avril kinda. I love both those songs I find Dare To Love Me to be one of the weakest ballads of her career I feel to too! I always tend to skip it and it just doesn't grow on me. |
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Post by katy on Oct 28, 2023 10:49:34 GMT
Avril CAN write decent lyrics, but the majority of the time she’s more interested in getting her friends in the studio and telling us all how fun that is rather than focussing on doing her job well. It’s more “fun” to sit there and talk about how guys suck and make her want to puke rather than looking at her actual deeper feelings for something better.
My main issue is her lack of progression. How’s she writing songs like I’m With You and Nobody’s Home as a teenager then F.U and Bitchin Summer 15-20 years later? Surrounding herself with her friends she just wants to have fun with rather than solid songwriters who want to push her to do her best work is definitely one of the reasons. Since GL she’s seemed happy to just plod along, not improving herself in terms of her writing, performance or with instruments. It’s a shame because she really did have it all up until then.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 28, 2023 14:00:02 GMT
I think you guys are forgetting about the fact she said when writing LS she never intended for it to be a well written, poetic sounding record. That was sort of the point. It was always meant to be lighthearted and her just pouring out her feelings about breakups, pretty much saying whatever first came to mind for her.
I don’t think it’s a big deal that she wants to have fun with her friends in the studio. I’d rather she work with people she gets on with than some forced session with a pro she doesn’t really see eye to eye with. That won’t produce her best work either. But I think it’s a delicate balance of working with people who she gets on with that are also good writers (Lauren Christy as an example).
At this point she doesn’t have to make music anymore. She doesn’t have to prove herself. She doesn’t really “have” to do anything. She’s doing it because she simply wants to at this point and loves writing and recording, making things she’s passionate about. I can’t say I blame her at all for wanting to bring all her friends to the studio and just have a good time. I think she can write deep lyrics when she wants to. LS wasn’t that record because it wasn’t meant to be that record.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 14:11:05 GMT
I think you guys are forgetting about the fact she said when writing LS she never intended for it to be a well written, poetic sounding record. That was sort of the point. It was always meant to be lighthearted and her just pouring out her feelings about breakups, pretty much saying whatever first came to mind for her. I don’t think it’s a big deal that she wants to have fun with her friends in the studio. I’d rather she work with people she gets on with than some forced session with a pro she doesn’t really see eye to eye with. That won’t produce her best work either. But I think it’s a delicate balance of working with people who she gets on with that are also good writers (Lauren Christy as an example). At this point she doesn’t have to make music anymore. She doesn’t have to prove herself. She doesn’t really “have” to do anything. She’s doing it because she simply wants to at this point and loves writing and recording, making things she’s passionate about. I can’t say I blame her at all for wanting to bring all her friends to the studio and just have a good time. I think she can write deep lyrics when she wants to. LS wasn’t that record because it wasn’t meant to be that record. THANK YOU!!!! I thought i was the only one who remembered her saying that. It was just a fun album with her friends/ex friends? At this point? Idk if she is still friends with Blackbear and MGK at this point. But yeah its the same with Blink 182, they dont really "have" to do anything. They dont have to keep making music but they are because theyre still passionate about it and after Mark's cancer battle, Tom was like fuck it, lets make another record. Same with Avril, he isnt realy popular anymore she could legit retire but she doesnt wnt to she wants to have fun. I like her for that i thinks hes written some great sogns but aslo LS was fun as fuck. Im excited to hear what she has next. |
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Post by afonso16 on Oct 28, 2023 15:28:52 GMT
I think you guys are forgetting about the fact she said when writing LS she never intended for it to be a well written, poetic sounding record. That was sort of the point. It was always meant to be lighthearted and her just pouring out her feelings about breakups, pretty much saying whatever first came to mind for her. I don’t think it’s a big deal that she wants to have fun with her friends in the studio. I’d rather she work with people she gets on with than some forced session with a pro she doesn’t really see eye to eye with. That won’t produce her best work either. But I think it’s a delicate balance of working with people who she gets on with that are also good writers (Lauren Christy as an example). At this point she doesn’t have to make music anymore. She doesn’t have to prove herself. She doesn’t really “have” to do anything. She’s doing it because she simply wants to at this point and loves writing and recording, making things she’s passionate about. I can’t say I blame her at all for wanting to bring all her friends to the studio and just have a good time. I think she can write deep lyrics when she wants to. LS wasn’t that record because it wasn’t meant to be that record. I don't need her to be waxing poetic, but things like this: I would tell you that I'm pissed But I know you won't hear me (hear me)/ You should read my fucking lips 'Cause you don't seem to hear me (hear me)Are absolute garbage. Not using basically the same line in two different verses should be the bare minimum. The entire album feels like first draft lyrics that were never improved upon. |
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Post by damncoldnights on Oct 28, 2023 15:44:40 GMT
I think you guys are forgetting about the fact she said when writing LS she never intended for it to be a well written, poetic sounding record. That was sort of the point. It was always meant to be lighthearted and her just pouring out her feelings about breakups, pretty much saying whatever first came to mind for her. I don’t think it’s a big deal that she wants to have fun with her friends in the studio. I’d rather she work with people she gets on with than some forced session with a pro she doesn’t really see eye to eye with. That won’t produce her best work either. But I think it’s a delicate balance of working with people who she gets on with that are also good writers (Lauren Christy as an example). At this point she doesn’t have to make music anymore. She doesn’t have to prove herself. She doesn’t really “have” to do anything. She’s doing it because she simply wants to at this point and loves writing and recording, making things she’s passionate about. I can’t say I blame her at all for wanting to bring all her friends to the studio and just have a good time. I think she can write deep lyrics when she wants to. LS wasn’t that record because it wasn’t meant to be that record. Yup yup yup!!!!!! LS does a great job of what it was supposed to do: be a fun, upbeat, angry album about her crappy dating experiences the last couple years. It's meant to be tongue-in-cheek and not taken seriously. She wanted to poke fun at what she went through and her feelings. It was never intended to be a deep introspective album. There are many ways an album/songs can be "good and well-written," it doesn't just have to be deep. I really think the main issue is that she doesn't want to explore the deeper feelings and prefers to just write about being angry and nauseous lol. That's why DTLM is a critical component of LS IMO, because not only does it break up the fast paced whirlwind, but it also gives listeners a peak into what was going on underneath the anger on the surface. One YouTube reviewer kept saying "Avril who hurt you!?" after every song and then was like "oh damnnnn" during DTLM. For an album like LS, staying surface level is fine -although I acknowledge it's not everyone's cup of tea- because it was supposed to be unserious, a little petty, and fun. But that approach won't work with AL8. I agree that it doesn't work when she writes with people she's basically forced to and doesn't click with. That's how AL5 happened. I think she needs to write with people who do know her (such as friends) but who also will push her to go deeper. And that she's comfortable doing so with. I get the sense that the Fam Jam didn't want to do that. Which was fine for what LS was meant to be. I'd actually be very interested in like an 8-10 song completely self-written album (shorter because otherwise it would take like 10 years to come out lol) because I think she can be a very good writer when she wants to be. I suspect there are a lot of "in the vault" self-written songs that she wrote for therapeutic reasons and not to be released on an album that are what we're looking for her to do. She's a lot more introspective when she's writing by herself. The lyrics themselves might not be as interesting because she tends to write pretty literally, but the content of the song itself is great. |
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