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Post by Anna on Nov 1, 2023 17:57:31 GMT
Also makes me kinda wonder what these festivals are like, like why do them instead of a regular tour? I know we only have 2 festivals so far just hope she doesnt od a full on festival run. She’s announced for 3 festivals so far. She’s definitely doing a festival run. It’s less expensive for her to do - many many rentals are gone with festivals, she’s also able to make better money since some of her solo contracts can depend on the sales. For or reasons it’s also better - audience not only consisting of her fans, bigger media coverage.
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Post by geelicon on Nov 1, 2023 18:25:26 GMT
I think it's smart to do festivals during the single era. But I don't want to miss out on another solo tour in the US. HAW was a good sized show and it was cheap compared to other artists. If she really wanted to I think she can tour for her fans only. She's got friends in the pop punk scene that are below her. She can take them out with her as the headliner and their fans will come. Especially if she puts out a good album and promotes herself well. Also, how long were people like I miss pop rock but like Kelly Clarkson, Avril, Pink pop rock. There's money out there she just needs to sell to them. Just imagine this kind of festival Headliners: Blink 182 and Avril Supporters: Simple Plan, All time low, One OK ROCK, Yungblud, All The american rejects, Girlfriends, Phem, GOB...They can also get Good Charlotte and even Fall out boy.... Sounds perfect for me.
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Post by damncoldnights on Nov 1, 2023 18:26:10 GMT
I think part of it is she has fun at festivals, being around so many other artists and the audiences are way bigger than what she would draw as a solo tour, plus those are the perfect types of shows for her to play only singles and have a short setlist. Same with being an opener. I really have no complaints about her doing festivals -especially since they're not taking the place of a proper US tour- cause it's exposing her to other generations/listeners, she's usually one of the top headliners, and she's more active on social media. Festivals have certainly led to some good collabs, which is another bonus. But I really wish she'd stop touring the US as an opener. I get that she can't fill big venues anymore the way that the person she's opening for can, but from my experiences at least (saw her open for BSB and then a week later she did a random proper solo show at a casino, which was actually the last show of the AL tour) people don't care about the openers. Not even half the people were in their seats when she was on stage. The only reason I can see her wanting to tour the US as an opener instead of her own actual tour is that it's more lucrative to be an opener. Which makes sense, and I do get that she, the band, and the label have to make money. But I can't honestly imagine opening is more fun for her knowing the majority of the crowd isn't there to see her and just wants the main act to start. Like sure she had fun with MGK. But I would much rather see her do a US tour like she did with HAW -smallish more intimate venues- with the majority of the audience there to actually see HER.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 1, 2023 18:29:16 GMT
The HAW tour was fine but I doubt it was that profitable for them because of the small sizes. Yeah intimate tours are great and all, but looking at the larger picture, when you consider the expenses of touring, it’s not really worth it to play small theaters when she could be playing in arenas as an opener for someone bigger, or playing the festival circuit. A lot of the shows for HAW didn’t even sell out completely and they were less than 5,000 seat capacity. I’d be surprised if they really made that much money back after doing a tour that size, it’s frankly, and sadly for us, probably just not worth the cost. Not when she can make just as much or way more opening for someone bigger.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 18:34:33 GMT
Id ont get why someone like Blink 182 can be playing at Sofi Stadium and still sell out, while Avril cant sell out stadiums anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 18:34:58 GMT
I think it's smart to do festivals during the single era. But I don't want to miss out on another solo tour in the US. HAW was a good sized show and it was cheap compared to other artists. If she really wanted to I think she can tour for her fans only. She's got friends in the pop punk scene that are below her. She can take them out with her as the headliner and their fans will come. Especially if she puts out a good album and promotes herself well. Also, how long were people like I miss pop rock but like Kelly Clarkson, Avril, Pink pop rock. There's money out there she just needs to sell to them. Just imagine this kind of festival Headliners: Blink 182 and Avril Supporters: Simple Plan, All time low, One OK ROCK, Yungblud, All The american rejects, Girlfriends, Phem, GOB...They can also get Good Charlotte and even Fall out boy.... Sounds perfect for me. Oh sign me up for that id defintley go
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Post by Anna on Nov 1, 2023 18:57:17 GMT
Id ont get why someone like Blink 182 can be playing at Sofi Stadium and still sell out, while Avril cant sell out stadiums anymore? Has she ever been a stadium artist? I don’t remember any stadium solo tour, arenas - yes. Blink-182 have a huge return, their songs are charting, their PR is perfect. Avril has none of it, actually. Her team tried to build around the legend she clearly is in the industry but we all know she personally is unable to sell it, she’s not good speaker and her interviews are dull and repetitive. Not much to hold on too. Nobody wants to rewrite it. Festivals are good, she’ll play summer in Europe and a solo tour in the US or any other part of the world in the fall. We can clearly have a full touring era in just a few months. In fact, if it wasn’t for the festivals, she would not be able to return to Europe so soon, it’s a very good move if she wants to be a touring artist. With such a label she has to be one. Not to mention it’s her buffer to stay active on stage. Look what kind of messy events she does in the US now - playing shows or performing to recorded tracks as a part of a drink promotion. She’s too good and achieved too much in her career to perform in resorts for drunk people over her own playback track
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Nov 1, 2023 19:22:08 GMT
Festivals are a good way to boost her brand If we're being honest here, the setlist is almost the same as her own tour, just a little shorter. I just wonder if the album is coming around june aswell or just a single
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Post by biggerwow on Nov 1, 2023 19:23:12 GMT
She never played stadiums. Not even in her home country. It's crazy the first time she played MSG was opening for MGK 💀 Avril had her moments and she was big and influential on many other artists to come. But she's never been that popular. Blink 182 are gods in pop punk even tho I never "got" them personally. Like Avril just barely got recognized by the pop punk genre. I'd never heard All Time Low even mention her before they became besties.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 19:29:22 GMT
She never played stadiums. Not even in her home country. It's crazy the first time she played MSG was opening for MGK 💀 Avril had her moments and she was big and influential on many other artists to come. But she's never been that popular. Blink 182 are gods in pop punk even tho I never "got" them personally. Like Avril just barely got recognized by the pop punk genre. I'd never heard All Time Low even mention her before they became besties. I thought she played MSG before during the Bonez tour. I could’ve sworn she played it before but guess not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 19:32:29 GMT
SHE DID PLAY MSG BEFORE! December 12th 2002 TTSMU your was at MSG
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 19:38:33 GMT
Honest to god, I think if Avril announced a big Eras tour similar to Taylor, and publized it, and promoted alot, i think she would get tickets sold. get older generations and newer generations interested. perform the hits,d eep cuts, and surprise songs.
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Post by shessolucky on Nov 1, 2023 19:44:36 GMT
I even think she could if she went for a better setlist/Liveshow during the last years. I mean, for a casual fan it has to be worth coming back, right? I heard lots of dissapointment at the Offenbach show from casual fans/visitors that talked about the short length. I think she must be aware of all this and simply chooses it to be this way for whatever reason.
But Im not fine with festivals and opening shows.
I heard it too in Stuttgart, but that kind of doesnt count because she was sick that day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 19:56:07 GMT
I even think she could if she went for a better setlist/Liveshow during the last years. I mean, for a casual fan it has to be worth coming back, right? I heard lots of dissapointment at the Offenbach show from casual fans/visitors that talked about the short length. I think she must be aware of all this and simply chooses it to be this way for whatever reason. But Im not fine with festivals and opening shows. I heard it too in Stuttgart, but that kind of doesnt count because she was sick that day. Yeah her length does need to be longer. I mean i will say Nickelback had the same length of songs as Av when i saw them and they even removed one song fromt heir new album off and everyone there seemed to have a fun time. I had a great time but my one complaint was if they added like 2 more songs i wouldve liked to hear She Keeps Me Up, Lullaby and Song on Fire. And if Avril could just add like 2-3 more songs ot make her setlist 20 songs i think people would be happy. I would be happy Also i am not fine iwth festivals or opening shows either. Festivals are way too corwded, too many drunk people and kind of boring just to see 1 artist you like. And opening shows same im only ok with that if its with someone I like so i can get a full expereince and enjoy it. Like if it qas Avril with Billie,, or Blink 182, or Green day, or something like that (cuz letsbe real BSB was kinda super random. Unless she tried to get those dates then BSB beat her to it so she asked to be an opener) But like im not a big fan of MGK, I didnt feel like wasting money or time to just see Avril then be bored during MGK or leave during MGK.
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Post by katy on Nov 1, 2023 20:33:29 GMT
I think it's smart to do festivals during the single era. But I don't want to miss out on another solo tour in the US. HAW was a good sized show and it was cheap compared to other artists. If she really wanted to I think she can tour for her fans only. She's got friends in the pop punk scene that are below her. She can take them out with her as the headliner and their fans will come. Especially if she puts out a good album and promotes herself well. Also, how long were people like I miss pop rock but like Kelly Clarkson, Avril, Pink pop rock. There's money out there she just needs to sell to them. Just imagine this kind of festival Headliners: Blink 182 and Avril Supporters: Simple Plan, All time low, One OK ROCK, Yungblud, All The american rejects, Girlfriends, Phem, GOB...They can also get Good Charlotte and even Fall out boy.... Sounds perfect for me. Sounds like When We We’re Young festival lol (Which they actually really do need to take worldwide, america gets all the good stuff!) Re stadiums etc.. I just can’t imagine Avril performing in one? I don’t know how she’d fill it - not fill it in terms of crowd (cos she just wouldn’t lol) but in terms of her stage presence. I actually think the size venues she did on the LS tour were perfect for her now. It’s intimate but still a large enough crowd to have good energy. Everything else about her shows needs work, but the venues were good!
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