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Post by katy on Nov 2, 2023 10:38:31 GMT
Yeah between TBDT era finishing and GL coming out she lost her relevancy. I think it’s a mix of things. The long wait for music between TBDT and GL. Poor connection with fans as things moved into social media. The quality of music diminishing. TBDT was an odd one - it’s was hugely successful with the general public because of GF, but I think it also alienated a big chunk of her fanbase because her whole image was such a huge turn from what we all knew. She was essentially a bit of a novelty when she came out - the teenager all the other teenagers wanted to be making music they related to. As she got older she lost that - I guess partly because that’s just what happens with a lot of artists who get so huge at a young age, partly because she’s not very good at connecting with her fans and partly because she does unfortunately seem to be stuck in the mindset of a teenager in a lot of ways, and her fans grew up and grew out of it. Honestly just happens with everyone that’s not named Taylor Swift. Happened with Katy Perry from Prism to Witness. Gonna happen with Olivia one day This too! Haha |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 13:52:14 GMT
Honestly just happens with everyone that’s not named Taylor Swift. Happened with Katy Perry from Prism to Witness. Gonna happen with Olivia one day This too! Haha Also Kelly Clarkson, she used to be really big especially in 2004-2012 and then she died off a bit. Actually think she haas less monthly listeners then Avril. Whcih sucks cuz Chemistry was amazing. Hell Nickelback too, used to be really big and now they arent. Mainly any artist from 2000s that isnt named Taylor Swift (granted shes also alot younger then the likes of Kelly and Avril) isnt as popular as they used to be. I also noticed like once the streaming era really started to get. big in those 2010s those artists stayed kinda big? I dont go by monthly listeners at all though cuz thats ridiulous. Katy still has 55 million monthly listeners on Spotify, but if you look outside of Spotify, you can see her career fell off. Montly listeners also count playlisting and i know shes in alot of like 2010s nostalgia playlists. And honestly the only reason Brit is still popular and relevant is cuz of her conservatorship and chaotic life. Ill also. be real, not a big fan of her lmao. But yeah just a thing that happens to artists of every generation. |
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Post by lrb22 on Nov 2, 2023 14:02:27 GMT
Also Kelly Clarkson, she used to be really big especially in 2004-2012 and then she died off a bit. Actually think she haas less monthly listeners then Avril. Whcih sucks cuz Chemistry was amazing. Hell Nickelback too, used to be really big and now they arent. Mainly any artist from 2000s that isnt named Taylor Swift (granted shes also alot younger then the likes of Kelly and Avril) isnt as popular as they used to be. I also noticed like once the streaming era really started to get. big in those 2010s those artists stayed kinda big? I dont go by monthly listeners at all though cuz thats ridiulous. Katy still has 55 million monthly listeners on Spotify, but if you look outside of Spotify, you can see her career fell off. Montly listeners also count playlisting and i know shes in alot of like 2010s nostalgia playlists. And honestly the only reason Brit is still popular and relevant is cuz of her conservatorship and chaotic life. Ill also. be real, not a big fan of her lmao. But yeah just a thing that happens to artists of every generation. The only early 2000's artists to have stayed relevant today are: Beyonce, P!nk and Justin Timberlake |
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 2, 2023 14:30:45 GMT
I was thinking about it and I realized I think Avril might be in a bit of a weird position where she’s stuck between 2 audiences. There’s the general public that remembers her for Sk8er Boi/MHE/GF, that they have fond memories of listening to in school, and they love the nostalgia thing, that’s one of the reasons why I think LS performed better than HAW.
But OTOH, you have her fans, who love her nostalgic side too, but we also want her to grow and evolve as an artist. I don’t think the GP is interested in watching her do that. So what does she do? If she tries something new, nobody outside her fans will probably care, but if she tries doing the same thing she’s known for album after album, the GP might love it, but her fans are bored. It’s a lose-lose situation.
Her first 3 albums performed very well. Then when she tried to switch gears with GL, it tanked, partly due to the long wait, partly due to a lackluster lead single that didn’t represent the album. HTNGU was an attempt at recreating nostalgia and it was relatively successful. LMG was supposed to be the serious song off the album but nobody took it seriously because of course she had to collab with the guy from a band everyone hated. Then the final nail in the coffin came with HK, an experiment in a new sound which was objectively a terrible song as well as the racism allegations. Then she disappeared after getting sick. HAW was a decent attempt at a serious comeback record but the GP had little interest in it. When she went back to her roots with LS and made a serious effort to immerse herself into the current pop punk scene, her popularity resurged again. Where she goes with this next album will be very telling, if she wants to try to appease the GP again by sticking to what she’s known for, or she wants to try something new which will please her fans but likely not interest anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 14:34:39 GMT
Also Kelly Clarkson, she used to be really big especially in 2004-2012 and then she died off a bit. Actually think she haas less monthly listeners then Avril. Whcih sucks cuz Chemistry was amazing. Hell Nickelback too, used to be really big and now they arent. Mainly any artist from 2000s that isnt named Taylor Swift (granted shes also alot younger then the likes of Kelly and Avril) isnt as popular as they used to be. I also noticed like once the streaming era really started to get. big in those 2010s those artists stayed kinda big? I dont go by monthly listeners at all though cuz thats ridiulous. Katy still has 55 million monthly listeners on Spotify, but if you look outside of Spotify, you can see her career fell off. Montly listeners also count playlisting and i know shes in alot of like 2010s nostalgia playlists. And honestly the only reason Brit is still popular and relevant is cuz of her conservatorship and chaotic life. Ill also. be real, not a big fan of her lmao. But yeah just a thing that happens to artists of every generation. The only early 2000's artists to have stayed relevant today are: Beyonce, P!nk and Justin Timberlake For sure. Beyoncé is wild idk how she’s still super relevant and im also be honest I think she’s kinda overrated. She got good songs but she isn’t omg best ever queen. Pink for sure she’s ok your rn. Justin Timberlake ehhh idk. Well he is in that trolls movie series. And he kinda growing but just cuz of Brit’s book |
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Post by afonso16 on Nov 2, 2023 14:53:48 GMT
Also Kelly Clarkson, she used to be really big especially in 2004-2012 and then she died off a bit. Actually think she haas less monthly listeners then Avril. Whcih sucks cuz Chemistry was amazing. Hell Nickelback too, used to be really big and now they arent. Mainly any artist from 2000s that isnt named Taylor Swift ( granted shes also alot younger then the likes of Kelly and Avril) isnt as popular as they used to be. I also noticed like once the streaming era really started to get. big in those 2010s those artists stayed kinda big? I dont go by monthly listeners at all though cuz thats ridiulous. Katy still has 55 million monthly listeners on Spotify, but if you look outside of Spotify, you can see her career fell off. Montly listeners also count playlisting and i know shes in alot of like 2010s nostalgia playlists. And honestly the only reason Brit is still popular and relevant is cuz of her conservatorship and chaotic life. Ill also. be real, not a big fan of her lmao. But yeah just a thing that happens to artists of every generation. Taylor is in her 30's just like Avril lol. The difference is she is an amazing business woman and she strives to keep herself successful which a lot of these artists including Avril don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 14:54:05 GMT
I was thinking about it and I realized I think Avril might be in a bit of a weird position where she’s stuck between 2 audiences. There’s the general public that remembers her for Sk8er Boi/MHE/GF, that they have fond memories of listening to in school, and they love the nostalgia thing, that’s one of the reasons why I think LS performed better than HAW. But OTOH, you have her fans, who love her nostalgic side too, but we also want her to grow and evolve as an artist. I don’t think the GP is interested in watching her do that. So what does she do? If she tries something new, nobody outside her fans will probably care, but if she tries doing the same thing she’s known for album after album, the GP might love it, but her fans are bored. It’s a lose-lose situation. Her first 3 albums performed very well. Then when she tried to switch gears with GL, it tanked, partly due to the long wait, partly due to a lackluster lead single that didn’t represent the album. HTNGU was an attempt at recreating nostalgia and it was relatively successful. LMG was supposed to be the serious song off the album but nobody took it seriously because of course she had to collab with the guy from a band everyone hated. Then the final nail in the coffin came with HK, an experiment in a new sound which was objectively a terrible song as well as the racism allegations. Then she disappeared after getting sick. HAW was a decent attempt at a serious comeback record but the GP had little interest in it. When she went back to her roots with LS and made a serious effort to immerse herself into the current pop punk scene, her popularity resurged again. Where she goes with this next album will be very telling, if she wants to try to appease the GP again by sticking to what she’s known for, or she wants to try something new which will please her fans but likely not interest anyone else. No thats exactly it. When LS came out all the outlets were like OMG AVRIL LAVIGNE"S COMEBACK ALBUM!! Yet she had her comeback album 3 years prior with HAW. But because she went to her punk rock roots, she got way more notice. I will say she is gaining more recognitiation because of artists like Billie, Olivia, and even Taylor (Youre gonna hate me for mentioning him but also Tyga lets be real here) and if she did a collab with any of them i think her career could skyrocket a bit in popularity. But you have us who hav e been consistent fans (or me who became a fan right before LS lmao) who are closely following her career, and looking forward to what she has next and want her to change it up. So yeah youre right she is also stuck in that 50/50 limbo. She got the GP who is nostalgic for the 2000s stuff, and then you got us, who. want her to change a bit.Who is sitll fans of her and still follow her career closely. Who still love her. It is a lose lose situation. I say if GL came otu in 09 like it was suppose to, before you had the big boom of Katy, Rihanna, Taylor sorta but she wasnt mega big yet until Red, Adele, and if she didnt get sick, she could still be a moderatley big artist. Also i agree HTNGU was an attempt, did somewhat big i was just thinking about this yesterday, but i remember somehow in 2013, seeing the HTNGU music video on my youtube feed because i remember the thumbnail and i think i did check it out but i was like i dont care. ANd same with LMG i kind of remember seeing that music video, but of course its with the gy from the band everyone hates for no reason. And same with Hello Kitty, i do remmeber eeing that thumbnail too. But then you had all those disgusting parodies about it by Shane Dawson, Brent Barker, and that defintley soemhwat hurt it and hten she disappered cuz she got sick. So the GP moved on as a whole i guess (not including the fanbase) So they are all big factors as well. |
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Post by afonso16 on Nov 2, 2023 14:58:13 GMT
I was thinking about it and I realized I think Avril might be in a bit of a weird position where she’s stuck between 2 audiences. There’s the general public that remembers her for Sk8er Boi/MHE/GF, that they have fond memories of listening to in school, and they love the nostalgia thing, that’s one of the reasons why I think LS performed better than HAW. But OTOH, you have her fans, who love her nostalgic side too, but we also want her to grow and evolve as an artist. I don’t think the GP is interested in watching her do that. So what does she do? If she tries something new, nobody outside her fans will probably care, but if she tries doing the same thing she’s known for album after album, the GP might love it, but her fans are bored. It’s a lose-lose situation. Her first 3 albums performed very well. Then when she tried to switch gears with GL, it tanked, partly due to the long wait, partly due to a lackluster lead single that didn’t represent the album. HTNGU was an attempt at recreating nostalgia and it was relatively successful. LMG was supposed to be the serious song off the album but nobody took it seriously because of course she had to collab with the guy from a band everyone hated. Then the final nail in the coffin came with HK, an experiment in a new sound which was objectively a terrible song as well as the racism allegations. Then she disappeared after getting sick. HAW was a decent attempt at a serious comeback record but the GP had little interest in it. When she went back to her roots with LS and made a serious effort to immerse herself into the current pop punk scene, her popularity resurged again. Where she goes with this next album will be very telling, if she wants to try to appease the GP again by sticking to what she’s known for, or she wants to try something new which will please her fans but likely not interest anyone else. I think her fanbase is also pretty stuck in the past. I can't stand to see another person asking her for UMS 2.0. as if that was this masterpiece record or something. Like, why ask for a 2.0 version of whatever past record and not for something completely different? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 14:58:24 GMT
Also Kelly Clarkson, she used to be really big especially in 2004-2012 and then she died off a bit. Actually think she haas less monthly listeners then Avril. Whcih sucks cuz Chemistry was amazing. Hell Nickelback too, used to be really big and now they arent. Mainly any artist from 2000s that isnt named Taylor Swift ( granted shes also alot younger then the likes of Kelly and Avril) isnt as popular as they used to be. I also noticed like once the streaming era really started to get. big in those 2010s those artists stayed kinda big? I dont go by monthly listeners at all though cuz thats ridiulous. Katy still has 55 million monthly listeners on Spotify, but if you look outside of Spotify, you can see her career fell off. Montly listeners also count playlisting and i know shes in alot of like 2010s nostalgia playlists. And honestly the only reason Brit is still popular and relevant is cuz of her conservatorship and chaotic life. Ill also. be real, not a big fan of her lmao. But yeah just a thing that happens to artists of every generation. Taylor is in her 30's just like Avril lol. The difference is she is an amazing business woman and she strives to keep herself successful which a lot of these artists including Avril don't. Yeah but shes in her early 30s. Kelly when she was Taylor's age was still relatively big. Avril was on hiatus. Also Taylor was kinda falling off when Lover came out and even she said this is gonan be the last time the audience will tolerate me. Then she just blew up out of nowhere. |
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Post by afonso16 on Nov 2, 2023 15:03:49 GMT
Taylor is in her 30's just like Avril lol. The difference is she is an amazing business woman and she strives to keep herself successful which a lot of these artists including Avril don't. Yeah but shes in her early 30s. Kelly when she was Taylor's age was still relatively big. Avril was on hiatus. Also Taylor was kinda falling off when Lover came out and even she said this is gonan be the last time the audience will tolerate me. Then she just blew up out of nowhere. Nah, you're just discrediting Taylor. It's not a matter of ageism towards women in the industry (though it certainly exists), it's about her ability to keep herself relevant. Neither Avril nor Kelly have been anywhere near Taylor's level of success in the last 15 years. |
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Post by katy on Nov 2, 2023 15:08:07 GMT
Avril wouldn’t still be a big artist if she hadn’t got sick. Firstly because her popularity dipped massively long before that, and secondly because she simply hasn’t released music good enough to keep her popular. Taylor is just her own huge monster (on the hill lolz). Even when she was at her “lowest” (Lover) she was still huge. She’s a genius at marketing herself and keeping herself relevant, on top of being insanely talented and genuinely likeable. Not many artists have all of those things.
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Post by gabbox on Nov 2, 2023 15:16:43 GMT
I agree, Taylor is extremely genius and soooo hard working and imo, even if she sings good, her attitude compensates her voice - she doesn't absolutely have the best voice out there (Adele has such a more powerful voice for example) but she really lives for working and puts a lot of effort in everything and always finds a way to stay relevant. Also her songwriting is very good and relatable by many people of different ages.
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Post by agathachloe on Nov 2, 2023 15:22:09 GMT
I remember when I was in my teens (2004ish) Avril Lavigne was extremely popular and her name was all over the place. At which point exactly did it start to diminish? She was huge at one point. I see comments on IG and Twitter a lot, talking about how her attitude sucks. Perhaps that’s why? I think her attitude was shitty in the beginning but after TBDT she seemed a lot more friendly. Just curious as to what exact point her popularity diminished, it seemed very fast instead of slowly fading over time. I think it was before Lyme. Maybe the GL era? Yeah between TBDT era finishing and GL coming out she lost her relevancy. I think it’s a mix of things. The long wait for music between TBDT and GL. Poor connection with fans as things moved into social media. The quality of music diminishing. TBDT was an odd one - it’s was hugely successful with the general public because of GF, but I think it also alienated a big chunk of her fanbase because her whole image was such a huge turn from what we all knew. She was essentially a bit of a novelty when she came out - the teenager all the other teenagers wanted to be making music they related to. As she got older she lost that - I guess partly because that’s just what happens with a lot of artists who get so huge at a young age, partly because she’s not very good at connecting with her fans and partly because she does unfortunately seem to be stuck in the mindset of a teenager in a lot of ways, and her fans grew up and grew out of it. This was one of the most realistic and best explained posts here. And also Avril didn’t put too much effort into keeping her popularity. |
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 2, 2023 15:31:34 GMT
I think it’s really impossible to know one way or the other what would have happened if Avril didn’t get sick, or if GL had been released as originally planned in 2009, etc. We’ll never know. I think her success would have fallen off at some point because it happens to almost all artists sooner or later, but I think we can’t say with absolute certainty that she’d still be big or that she wouldn’t be.
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Post by Jinkxx on Nov 2, 2023 16:50:52 GMT
I was thinking about it and I realized I think Avril might be in a bit of a weird position where she’s stuck between 2 audiences. There’s the general public that remembers her for Sk8er Boi/MHE/GF, that they have fond memories of listening to in school, and they love the nostalgia thing, that’s one of the reasons why I think LS performed better than HAW. But OTOH, you have her fans, who love her nostalgic side too, but we also want her to grow and evolve as an artist. I don’t think the GP is interested in watching her do that. So what does she do? If she tries something new, nobody outside her fans will probably care, but if she tries doing the same thing she’s known for album after album, the GP might love it, but her fans are bored. It’s a lose-lose situation. Her first 3 albums performed very well. Then when she tried to switch gears with GL, it tanked, partly due to the long wait, partly due to a lackluster lead single that didn’t represent the album. HTNGU was an attempt at recreating nostalgia and it was relatively successful. LMG was supposed to be the serious song off the album but nobody took it seriously because of course she had to collab with the guy from a band everyone hated. Then the final nail in the coffin came with HK, an experiment in a new sound which was objectively a terrible song as well as the racism allegations. Then she disappeared after getting sick. HAW was a decent attempt at a serious comeback record but the GP had little interest in it. When she went back to her roots with LS and made a serious effort to immerse herself into the current pop punk scene, her popularity resurged again. Where she goes with this next album will be very telling, if she wants to try to appease the GP again by sticking to what she’s known for, or she wants to try something new which will please her fans but likely not interest anyone else. I think her fanbase is also pretty stuck in the past. I can't stand to see another person asking her for UMS 2.0. as if that was this masterpiece record or something. Like, why ask for a 2.0 version of whatever past record and not for something completely different? Amen to all what you said. I don’t want any 2.0. versions. It was fun when she mentioned a back to back album with LS she wrote so much but if she wanted that she should’ve released it sooner. Like Taylor did with Folklore and Evermore. i like to see Avril go in different directions, I don’t know how she thinks about pleasing the GP or her fans..but sure thing is she can’t do both I guess? |
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