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Post by lbs2022 on Apr 25, 2024 15:11:03 GMT
Imma be real i think its smart Abtil hasnt released a single yet and maybe waiting until tour right before or during, i think it would generate more hype like just imagine she announces a new single during one of her concerts (realistically i can see that happening) it would get so much buzz. And like an album annoucement too, i think that would be awesome and generate more hype then releasing one right now. I think if ashe doesnt do that its a major missed opportunity
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Post by Razorqo21 on Apr 25, 2024 15:12:47 GMT
Imma be real i think its smart Abtil hasnt released a single yet and maybe waiting until tour right before or during, i think it would generate more hype like just imagine she announces a new single during one of her concerts (realistically i can see that happening) it would get so much buzz. And like an album annoucement too, i think that would be awesome and generate more hype then releasing one right now. I think if ashe doesnt do that its a major missed opportunity Im hoping for that as well
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Post by gabbox on Apr 25, 2024 15:25:11 GMT
Yes I can't imagine doing a tour without a new song, but with Avril anything is possible
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Post by doubtfire on Apr 25, 2024 16:18:03 GMT
Are we still on Avril releasing a single before the tour? Lol. We won’t be getting anything until a year after the tour. She can only focus on one thing at a time, and the tour is it for now. When it’s done, she’ll take a few months off to vacation and then she’ll restart the writing/recording process… Avril has never been and will never be Taylor. She’s ADHD, indecisive, and is adverse to commitment. Releasing a single, album, or anniversary release to promote a tour would make sense, and Avril has shown time and time again she cannot promote herself… to a fault, almost as though she does not want the publicity. I’m not sure if the Let Go junket traumatized her or what, but she clearly does not like the attention. Why do you think she goes radio silent on social media for months?
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Apr 25, 2024 17:27:50 GMT
Yes I can't imagine doing a tour without a new song, but with Avril anything is possible of course it's possible, especially when you have a lot of singles and well known non-singles that you havent performed in more than 15 years.
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Post by TamyXD on Apr 25, 2024 17:56:07 GMT
What I would LOVE to see from Avril is more behind the scenes clips of the actual songwriting and recording process, like she did for "I'm A Mess". I love learning how a song actually comes to life, how it starts out sounding like x and ends up sounding like y, learning about the thought processes of the songwriters, hearing vocals and other instruments being recorded, maybe even noticing things you don't really hear in the end product 'cause it's so low in the mix (like harmonies, backing vocals, a hidden guitar riff).
Green Day have been posting such Making Of videos, too, since their newest album released in January. They've been posting one or two such videos each month. It's a great way to keep fans engaged and interested. I mean, their album "Saviors" has been out for three months now, but every time one of those Making Of videos is released, it gets me excited to go back to the album (or at least that one song).
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Post by giveuwhatulike on Apr 25, 2024 18:03:50 GMT
Seems like DTA is back in business. Jxdn is releasing 2 new songs this week. Maybe Avril will be the next one.
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Post by 2000sclear on Apr 25, 2024 18:15:17 GMT
Avril has shown time and time again she cannot promote herself… to a fault, almost as though she does not want the publicity. I’m not sure if the Let Go junket traumatized her or what, but she clearly does not like the attention. Why do you think she goes radio silent on social media for months? The state of music promotion today is a really interesting topic honestly, with a lot of nuance, and it goes far beyond Avril. I feel like a lot of people don’t realize that making a good song is the easiest part, if you have the talent. The hardest part by far is getting people to hear a song, decide to stream it, then decide to stream the rest of your stuff, and then finally become a fan. With social media the way it is now, and seemingly random singers blowing up out of nowhere through it, it’s logical to think it’s easy now, but that’s not really true. It’s just as hard as ever, just in a new way. You have to figure out how to game the algorithms, which are infinitely more complicated and confusing then they may seem. In a lot of cases that means writing songs you don’t necessarily want to but that will do well in short-form social media (ex. Has potential for a viral sound or has a line that makes you stop scrolling), and/or changing your style (musically and/or aesthetically) to fit trends or stand out enough for people to stop scrolling. This obviously usually results in a worse product that’s not true to yourself and the music you’ve made before, and will make in the future, putting you in a conundrum. If this sounds familiar, it should, it’s the same trap that artists would fall into under the old format where the label was your main promoter. In order to get signed artists would usually have to forfeit much of their creative freedom and would often have their music and personal style crafted by the label to fit a demographic. And of course, with both, making these sacrifices doesn’t even mean you’ll actually succeed. Avril is in an interesting spot because she came up on the old way, and got very good at the old style of promotion (music videos/interviews/appearances/campaigning for radio play). Her music video ability is especially impressive, all of her big hits have a lot to owe to very successful and iconic music videos. Problem is, the old style doesn’t work as well anymore. The days of music videos going super viral on YouTube (MTV before that) and people finding out about new music through talk shows and radio interviews, is all but gone completely. The good news for Avril is that her personality and music seems to also be a great fit for the new way, her posts and her in general have gone super viral multiple times in the past few years. I get the frustration with her not posting as often recently, but I think that’s just her trying to merge some of the old style with the new, specifically I think she’s trying to prevent fan fatigue. A serious side effect of the new way is that the same persistent posting and constant virality that is launching/helping so many artists careers is also causing major fan fatigue for these same artists. Fans that may like an artist but not enough to be a super fan (most listeners) can be turned off from them just by seeing them and the same song on their feed day after day without end. I think Avril is applying the old method of letting anticipation build by being mostly silent in between releases so that when she does have a major release she can go all out on social media and flood peoples feeds with it feeling fresh. When it’s time to actually promote a major single you want people who come upon her SM video promoting it to go “oh Avril Lavigne I haven’t heard from her in a while, I’m going to stay and listen to this new song”, instead of “Another Avril video? I’m sick of getting these on my feed, scroll.” because you’ve been flooding them with non-major-single related content for months. Idk, I could be wrong. Like I said, it’s a very complicated topic. If I knew exactly how to work it I wouldn't be in here talking about it 😂.
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Post by lbs2022 on Apr 25, 2024 18:50:21 GMT
Avril has shown time and time again she cannot promote herself… to a fault, almost as though she does not want the publicity. I’m not sure if the Let Go junket traumatized her or what, but she clearly does not like the attention. Why do you think she goes radio silent on social media for months? The state of music promotion today is a really interesting topic honestly, with a lot of nuance, and it goes far beyond Avril. I feel like a lot of people don’t realize that making a good song is the easiest part, if you have the talent. The hardest part by far is getting people to hear a song, decide to stream it, then decide to stream the rest of your stuff, and then finally become a fan. With social media the way it is now, and seemingly random singers blowing up out of nowhere through it, it’s logical to think it’s easy now, but that’s not really true. It’s just as hard as ever, just in a new way. You have to figure out how to game the algorithms, which are infinitely more complicated and confusing then they may seem. In a lot of cases that means writing songs you don’t necessarily want to but that will do well in short-form social media (ex. Has potential for a viral sound or has a line that makes you stop scrolling), and/or changing your style (musically and/or aesthetically) to fit trends or stand out enough for people to stop scrolling. This obviously usually results in a worse product that’s not true to yourself and the music you’ve made before, and will make in the future, putting you in a conundrum. If this sounds familiar, it should, it’s the same trap that artists would fall into under the old format where the label was your main promoter. In order to get signed artists would usually have to forfeit much of their creative freedom and would often have their music and personal style crafted by the label to fit a demographic. And of course, with both, making these sacrifices doesn’t even mean you’ll actually succeed. Avril is in an interesting spot because she came up on the old way, and got very good at the old style of promotion (music videos/interviews/appearances/campaigning for radio play). Her music video ability is especially impressive, all of her big hits have a lot to owe to very successful and iconic music videos. Problem is, the old style doesn’t work as well anymore. The days of music videos going super viral on YouTube (MTV before that) and people finding out about new music through talk shows and radio interviews, is all but gone completely. The good news for Avril is that her personality and music seems to also be a great fit for the new way, her posts and her in general have gone super viral multiple times in the past few years. I get the frustration with her not posting as often recently, but I think that’s just her trying to merge some of the old style with the new, specifically I think she’s trying to prevent fan fatigue. A serious side effect of the new way is that the same persistent posting and constant virality that is launching/helping so many artists careers is also causing major fan fatigue for these same artists. Fans that may like an artist but not enough to be a super fan (most listeners) can be turned off from them just by seeing them and the same song on their feed day after day without end. I think Avril is applying the old method of letting anticipation build by being mostly silent in between releases so that when she does have a major release she can go all out on social media and flood peoples feeds with it feeling fresh. When it’s time to actually promote a major single you want people who come upon her SM video promoting it to go “oh Avril Lavigne I haven’t heard from her in a while, I’m going to stay and listen to this new song”, instead of “Another Avril video? I’m sick of getting these on my feed, scroll.” because you’ve been flooding them with non-major-single related content for months. Idk, I could be wrong. Like I said, it’s a very complicated topic. If I knew exactly how to work it I wouldn't be in here talking about it 😂. Actually no i think youre 100% right. Literally nobody really watches MV's anymore and its all finding sounds that are trending (which uhh might not happen anymore lmao unless they sell or its going bye bye) But i agree like lets take Taylor for instance. I love her but right now shes literally everywhere and people get tired of her easily. ANd she just released 31 new songs and even some fans are getting a bit of fatigue. I think i understand what Avril is doing, i mean during Bite Me promo wasnt she literally on the Ellen show and Jimmy Kimmel; for both HAW and Bite me and LYWYHM (as well as Dick Clark new years eve) So she is putting herself out there but she could do more, but i do agree that its harder to get your music out there now and the old school way And her personality and music itself can fit that way, I mean NH was going super viral until UMG wanted to be a bitch.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Apr 25, 2024 19:39:22 GMT
#67 Avril Lavigne, "My Happy Ending"Co-written with radio-friendly rock savant Butch Walker, “My Happy Ending” sounded like a less-upbeat (though no less catchy) sequel to 2002’s “Sk8er Boi.” Its relatable sad girl vibes were very 2004 — a year when singer-songwriters like Vanessa Carlton and Michelle Branch also thrived — and with its crunchy guitars, anthemic choruses and standard-setting emo-pop bridge, it peaked at No. 9 on the Hot 100. Twenty years later, the signature Lavigne blend of angst and earworms epitomized on “Ending’ is still echoing in popular music. — REBECCA MILZOFF www.billboard.com/lists/2004-songs-best/ (Billboard - The 100 Greatest Songs of 2004: Staff Picks) Online tomorrow by the official channel (Prince's Trust Music):#UMS20thAnniversary?
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Post by mondragon on Apr 26, 2024 21:37:15 GMT
Read the article. It's really interesting and most of the analysis makes sense. What's even more intriguing is that 12 years later, despite not producing any more major radio hits or albums, she has managed to sell out all the same arenas she once struggled to fill during the Black Star tour (as highlighted in articles like the one shared). And now, she's gearing up to do it again with the Greatest Hits tour 😉 She has built a legacy Anything is possible. She just needs the right song to blow up in the right conditions. Kylie Minogue had a huge hit with Padam Padam last year and was her first top ten hit in like ten years. I think TikTok helped a lot with that. Some good points raised here though which have shaped her career: 1) TBDT was a hit but I think a lot of ppl thought she sold out and didn’t like the direction she went in 2) GL’s delay hurt her - record company did her dirty. Music was becoming more dance orientated 3) Not releasing much music when streaming became big - Lyme didn’t help here 4) HAW was slow and never going to get played on radio. I think overall the general public have an affection for her due to her earlier music. The fact she is playing Glastonbury is huge. That is the equivalent of her playing Coachella (if not better IMO as Coachella looks terrible).
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Post by metam on Apr 27, 2024 9:09:44 GMT
Avril followed Snoop Dogg & Eminem. Seems like she's really goin' rap and it's inevitable. Something new from her. I'm here for it! 😎
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Post by lbs2022 on Apr 27, 2024 10:30:57 GMT
Avril followed Snoop Dogg & Eminem. Seems like she's really goin' rap and it's inevitable. Something new from her. I'm here for it! 😎 Snoop Dogg is more random. But Eminem doesnt really mean she will rap she could be having a collab and she jsut sings. The Monster is a great song very popular too and Rihanna doesnt rap at all
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Post by TomX on Apr 27, 2024 13:09:20 GMT
She’s not going rap lol. She follows random people all the time, and both Snoop Dog and Eminem are people she’s admired /known for decades.
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Post by gabbox on Apr 27, 2024 14:09:24 GMT
She’s not going rap lol. She follows random people all the time, and both Snoop Dog and Eminem are people she’s admired /known for decades. Yes exactly. We know that Avril starts following a person as soon as she has an interaction with and it would be a bit too late now if they had a collaboration together. Eminem announced the album for this summer and with a trailer ready which basically means the album is already well recorded and mixed. By the way I wouldn’t mind at all a collab between them and consider also that in all the Eminem super collabs (The Monster feat Rihanna, Stan feat Dido), Eminem raps, while the featuring artist sings his/her own genre (pop).
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