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Post by Anna on Jun 10, 2024 21:21:07 GMT
I feel like she didn't milked love sux enough, the era died too soon, but at the same time I don't want her do it anymore, because that ship has sailed. The moment for a vol.2 or something is long gone. I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, her team made a very smart move releasing the album and combining it with the anniversary of let go, she earned the money on new music, got some radio buzz, did a lot of interviews. The last thing could happen with the anniversary only but knowing what’s on the album, she wouldn’t chart because there was nothing new to chart with On the other hand, love sux era was promoted in this nostalgia and let go anniversary shadow so for me we are into this anniversary era since 2022, and it’s very long, knowing there are plans for more dates for 2025. the tour, despite great looking production, is very love sux alike so it’s like seeing her live once again during the same era but again, I understand it all would be hard without new album, yet I’d prefer it to look different - first greatest hits tour in 2022/2023, now touring with new music + the hit setlist, even if under the greatest hits tour name. maybe it’s my vision because I feel I didn’t get enough of love sux stuff live 😅
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Post by Anna on Jun 10, 2024 21:21:45 GMT
My bet - she’ll tour 2025 and release the Sk8er boi movie in 2026 I know Avril’s talked about making a “Sk8r boi movie” a few times before, but does anyone have any idea what that would actually consist of? I have a hard time picturing what a Sk8r boi movie would even be. Only thing I can imagine a movie following the song’s story being like is like a Disney channel esque straight to tv movie vibe. Idk. probably something like rom-com, so yeah, Disney vibe makes sense
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Post by TomX on Jun 10, 2024 21:25:55 GMT
I don't really think she needs to rebrand the tour even with a new album coming out. She could 100% still continue the GH tour into 2025/2026 and have a new album out. We already know it's pretty useless at this point to name a tour after an album since we know that we'll only have the singles + two deep cuts if we are lucky. I wouldn't be surprised if this GH tour marks the end of album-themed tours in her career. I think we'll only get a singles-only setlist from now on.
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Post by eismann on Jun 10, 2024 21:30:03 GMT
I've heard (on this forum) that sometimes leaks are done on purpose to gauge the reaction of fans. If that was the case maybe they realised fans didn't really want LS part 2. Then the GH idea came to be which sounds more profitable at this point. That's just my theory though. I'm pretty sure AL8 is scrapped because when has Avil had an album done and not tell us, unless she's learned not to do that. Whatever the case is I don't think there's an album ready, so I'm curious in general what's going to be her next step after the GH Tour. Go back to the studio? Maybe there will be a single or more collabs this year? Vegas Residency? Documentary? Because not even her team is dumb enough to let the hype die, right? What i really care about even though i tell myself not to have too high expectations! Where is she going to go musically on AL8? Country or pop punk or another rock album? Is she going to evolve again? My bet - she’ll tour 2025 and release the Sk8er boi movie in 2026, so we gonna have approx. two more years for celebrating her 20 years on stage, even if a new single or a new album comes out. If the movie is really going to happen, and probably at this point it will since she keeps mentioning it when possible, its release will bring the anniversary vibe once again if Tokio hotel brothers can have their Netflix docu collab, so can she. At this point it rather about her wishes than interest from outlets which compete to the extreme overall the tour got nice reviews, it’s sold out so they can even consider doing another US/CAnadian leg or perhaps expending the Canadian leg, apart from Asia and Australia markets. Not to mention another leg in Europe, non-festival one. I see 2025 and 2026 with the hits tour But the Tokio Hotel twins are absolutely popular in Germany (and probably some other countries). They have one of the most successful podcasts, have TV shows etc. They are not solely nostalgia acts like Avril. So I don't think that comparison makes sense. When did Avril actually mention the movie the last time? I never felt it was that serious. And tbh she has the nostalgia level to make a documentary but she is not willing to opening up at all (see her Call her Daddy podcast), and every documentary needs that special topic or unknown information. Otherwise the streaming services wont be interested. I dont think her break out story and early Let Go days are interesting enough.
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Post by Anna on Jun 10, 2024 21:45:52 GMT
My bet - she’ll tour 2025 and release the Sk8er boi movie in 2026, so we gonna have approx. two more years for celebrating her 20 years on stage, even if a new single or a new album comes out. If the movie is really going to happen, and probably at this point it will since she keeps mentioning it when possible, its release will bring the anniversary vibe once again if Tokio hotel brothers can have their Netflix docu collab, so can she. At this point it rather about her wishes than interest from outlets which compete to the extreme overall the tour got nice reviews, it’s sold out so they can even consider doing another US/CAnadian leg or perhaps expending the Canadian leg, apart from Asia and Australia markets. Not to mention another leg in Europe, non-festival one. I see 2025 and 2026 with the hits tour But the Tokio Hotel twins are absolutely popular in Germany (and probably some other countries). They have one of the most successful podcasts, have TV shows etc. They are not solely nostalgia acts like Avril. So I don't think that comparison makes sense. When did Avril actually mention the movie the last time? I never felt it was that serious. And tbh she has the nostalgia level to make a documentary but she is not willing to opening up at all (see her Call her Daddy podcast), and every documentary needs that special topic or unknown information. Otherwise the streaming services wont be interested. I dont think her break out story and early Let Go days are interesting enough. I think she’s way more nostalgic artist than we actually think. Her actions are very effortless but she’s visible to people growing up with her. Obviously I hate Taylor Swift comparisons, and it’s not the one, but I heard a great sentence recently - Avril is what Taylor swift will be to her fans in 20 years time. Of course Taylor also has fans our age but I think the general meaning was that there are people who always dreamt of seeing her live and take great pleasure in reliving their teenage years listening to Girlfriend and Complicated, looking at the crowds of her recent shows, the average age is probably somewhere around 35, there aren’t many stories (based on the number of people attending each show) after the shows what is also a great information to her team on the direction in which they should go. She really doesn’t need to force herself to be more than she feels comfortable being I totally don’t know what the brothers are doing now but I saw Netflix suggesting their show to me, I don’t know the course of their career but I believe Avril is more known worldwide. Like two years ago I was also thinking she is not „enough” for Netflix to pick it, now it think it’s only the matter of a good script idea and budget, plus her yes to it. Not that I want her to actually agree to it - I think the laughable Avril with a beer bottle for 2hrs will bore people but if the concept is great? Why not! Her Call Her Dadsy podcast had very good moments! She mentioned the movie in Call her Daddy
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Post by pllforlife on Jun 10, 2024 21:55:32 GMT
She said she wanted her friends on the movie but those friends who were around when the news came out are no longer friends it seems lol
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Post by Anna on Jun 10, 2024 22:01:31 GMT
I don't really think she needs to rebrand the tour even with a new album coming out. She could 100% still continue the GH tour into 2025/2026 and have a new album out. We already know it's pretty useless at this point to name a tour after an album since we know that we'll only have the singles + two deep cuts if we are lucky. I wouldn't be surprised if this GH tour marks the end of album-themed tours in her career. I think we'll only get a singles-only setlist from now on. Totally!
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Post by gabbox on Jun 10, 2024 22:04:05 GMT
I hope she can come back to Europe next year with new album - new tour, but I'm sure she will rebrand it even if the setlist will be identical.
I also believe her documentary will be out at that time, I can't see Sk8r Boi movie actually happening anytime soon
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Jun 10, 2024 22:40:10 GMT
Guys, Avril is known worldwide and she has a large and solid fanbase that supports her no matter what. She'd have sold out shows at this point even in her most underground and not commercial era. She has legacy and an interested fanbase that consumes whatever she releases. Of course she's away from her peak of success but she has VERY good numbers for an artist that became very famous 20 years ago. She can do whatever she wants with her music and tours. She doesn't make any effort to evolve because she's comfortable this way, unfortunately. Simple.
Many artists would kill to have a current solid audience, like hers, to consume and support their non-stop releases and her elaborated songs, albums and tours. As she said with 17 years, she's LUCKY. Other artists wouldn't have 10% of her fanbase support with terrible concerts and albums like the ones she's dropping over the last years.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Jun 10, 2024 23:03:39 GMT
She said she wanted her friends on the movie but those friends who were around when the news came out are no longer friends it seems lol Whenever I think of her 2022 ideas for this movie, I can only think about this: The winner of the next Golden Raspberry Awards edition.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2024 23:16:10 GMT
Guys, Avril is known worldwide and she has a large and solid fanbase that supports her no matter what. She'd have sold out shows at this point even in her most underground and not commercial era. She has legacy and an interested fanbase that consumes whatever she releases. Of course she's away from her peak of success but she has VERY good numbers for an artist that became very famous 20 years ago. She can do whatever she wants with her music and tours. She doesn't make any effort to evolve because she's comfortable this way, unfortunately. Simple. Many artists would kill to have a current solid audience, like hers, to consume and support their non-stop releases and her elaborated songs, albums and tours. As she said with 17 years, she's LUCKY. Other artists wouldn't have 10% of her fanbase support with terrible concerts and albums like the ones she's dropping over the last years. I think it’s more than being lucky. She’s amazingly talented and means so much to many of us. I worry that relying this much on nostalgia and not always giving good performances is risky. (“Not always giving good performances” is a gentle way of wording it…). I really hope she doesn’t sully her good name.
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Post by blackmage on Jun 11, 2024 1:46:16 GMT
Advertising the tour as the Greatest Hits tour was one of her smartest moves recently by far. I know some of you hated it when it was announced, but that's why she's selling these tickets. My bet is that she might switch between doing US festivals and solo shows in Europe, and then solo shows in the US and festivals in Europe for her next leg. Maybe she doesn't want to waste her demand, and doing a festivals tour in Europe after having a whole solo leg there for the Love Sux tour sounds so strategic.
A lot of artists who wanted to rebrand as touring acts started doing a lot of festivals. That's what Pink did, and that's what Lana Del Rey has recently done (and is still doing, as well as selling out her first stadiums). Her deal with Live Nation sounds promising. I get the feeling she's trying to become a stronger touring artist.
Even the attention she got with this tour in terms of people demanding changes, and the amount of reviews, ticket sales, press, etc., is almost unprecedented in her career.
What I don't know is if putting out a new tour under an album theme would get the same attention.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Jun 11, 2024 2:24:15 GMT
Even the attention she got with this tour in terms of people demanding changes, and the amount of reviews, ticket sales, press, etc., is almost unprecedented in her career. What I don't know is if putting out a new tour under an album theme would get the same attention. But it's the same setlist of her latest tours, especially Love Sux, which was successful in therms of sales. And yet, it had another name. So, it's not about being a greatest hits tours itself but delivering a lazy and super short concert. Actually there was no "smart move" behind it. It's just Avril, once again, refusing to deliver something different on stage (in therms of songs choices). About the press and reviews, I don't know how long you are a fan but she always had an amount of reviews about her concerts and press, especially during The Best Damn Tour and HAWT, when she gave exclusive interviews about it (E! news, ET Canada, etc). the amount of people demanding changes it's because her fans are literally exhausted of seeing the same show over the last 10 years. Especially when this tour, which was supposed to be easiest one, became the lazyiest.
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Post by blackmage on Jun 11, 2024 2:38:18 GMT
I disagree. For HAWT she had press, but it was intended to promote the tour and to sell her tickets by letting people know she was touring. It was not press because she was being acclaimed for her concerts. And yet she struggled and failed to sell out 4K small theaters.
Causal listeners do not care if she will change her setlist that much from tour to tour. This is a fan complaint. Having it branded as “GH tour” may be a problem for her fans, cause we know she’s been doing it for a long time. But if it was aimed at a general audience who's packing 20K attendance per night it was indeed a good strategy. I’d even say it was a marvelous strategy. The results are clear!
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Jun 11, 2024 3:40:34 GMT
I disagree. For HAWT she had press, but it was intended to promote the tour and to sell her tickets by letting people know she was touring. It was not press because she was being acclaimed for her concerts. And yet she struggled and failed to sell out 4K small theaters. Causal listeners do not care if she will change her setlist that much from tour to tour. This is a fan complaint. Having it branded as “GH tour” may be a problem for her fans, cause we know she’s been doing it for a long time. But if it was aimed at a general audience who's packing 20K attendance per night it was indeed a good strategy. I’d even say it was a marvelous strategy. The results are clear! small theathers were sold out and she had less press during that whole era. Even the album wasnt well promoted. the tickets were as expensive as the new ones. I still say that the complaint isnt about being GH Tour or the name itself but the short setlist and lazy concert. Casual listeners love the singles, especially when you announce your tour as Greatest Hits. Many people love and want Nobody's Home, Wish You Were Here and even Hot there.
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