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Post by blackmage on Jun 11, 2024 12:56:12 GMT
I disagree. For HAWT she had press, but it was intended to promote the tour and to sell her tickets by letting people know she was touring. It was not press because she was being acclaimed for her concerts. And yet she struggled and failed to sell out 4K small theaters. Causal listeners do not care if she will change her setlist that much from tour to tour. This is a fan complaint. Having it branded as “GH tour” may be a problem for her fans, cause we know she’s been doing it for a long time. But if it was aimed at a general audience who's packing 20K attendance per night it was indeed a good strategy. I’d even say it was a marvelous strategy. The results are clear! small theathers were sold outI'm sorry to disagree, but I believe you may be mistaken. Most of HAWT's concerts were almost sold-out, not completely sold-out. There's a big difference between almost selling out 20K arenas and not selling out 4K-5K small theaters. Out of 7 shows reported by Pollstar for HAWT, only two of them were sold-out. Here is the rest of the data we have: Greek Theatre, Los Angeles: 5,555 (93%) - $276,676 Chicago Theatre, Chicago: 3,394 (95%) - $230,295 Fox Theatre, Oakland: 2,646 (94%) - $165,623 The Theater, Oxon Hill: 2,392 (86%) - $159,855 Paramount Theatre, Seattle: 2,736 (97%) - $174,508 Of course, 85%-97% wouldn't be bad if you were having 95% out of 20K people attending, but not being able to fill up theaters with 3K attendees was a little disappointing. Even for the Bite Me Tour in Canada, she struggled in some places. So, yes, I know we have a lot to complain about and many reasons to focus on her flaws and highlight the improvements needed, etc. But we can't just take away the credit from her and her team for using the 'smart move' of advertising this tour as a Greatest Hits tour. It is doing wonders. This is her biggest tour in 17 years. I understand that a few die-hard fans might hope for more constructive criticism and feedback, and maybe for less success to inspire changes in her stage presence, setlist, etc., and I 100% endorse this criticism. But that's not the current situation. This tour is a success at least up until now. The general audience has different demands than us fans. She aimed at them and achieved this goal. I still support my ideia that she's in such a better place now than her previous tours. These casual listeners, unlike fans, don't mind certain omissions from the setlist. That's also why she's been praised on TikTok and her streaming numbers are increasing so much and, in some cases, doubling.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 11, 2024 13:48:58 GMT
Yeah as someone who attended the HAW tour at a venue meant for around 4,000 people it definitely was not sold out. Whenever she sang a HAW song other than the title track the audience didn’t seem to know them, but went crazy for the hits as expected.
I think we’re going to have to accept this is probably how her shows will be moving forward, whether we like it or not. We will most likely never see an album-branded tour again and as Tom mentioned, there is little point since she only plays the singles anyway, it’s sort of irrelevant what the name of the tour is. Her set lists haven’t varied much in the last ten+ years, why would they now? She has said she’s always wanted a setlist of all singles and she’s now finally reached that point. She’s a legacy/nostalgia act that can pull in huge audiences based off her back catalog, that’s a huge accomplishment. She’s essentially reached the level of other legacy acts like Billy Joel or whoever you want to compare her to where she’ll probably still play a few new songs but her set lists will mainly be hits. Maybe someday she’ll do a special kind of tour to throw a bone to the fans like an album anniversary tour, a Bsides/deep cuts tour, an acoustic tour, etc. but I think more or less this will be what we get going forward. If it’s working for her, why would she change it? I think we kind of have to accept that these tours are geared towards the general public which is a significantly bigger number than her small group of diehards that want deep cuts or old album tracks. It’s just not going to happen. If the tours no longer continue to sell, maybe she’ll switch gears and do an album branded tour again with new music if people are getting sick of the old material. The only thing we can really do if we want her to change her show is to just simply stop buying tickets. Fans complain about her not changing the show but continue to buy tickets anyway.
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Post by erikvaze on Jun 12, 2024 2:11:35 GMT
Even the attention she got with this tour in terms of people demanding changes, and the amount of reviews, ticket sales, press, etc., is almost unprecedented in her career. What I don't know is if putting out a new tour under an album theme would get the same attention. But it's the same setlist of her latest tours, especially Love Sux, which was successful in therms of sales. And yet, it had another name. So, it's not about being a greatest hits tours itself but delivering a lazy and super short concert. Actually there was no "smart move" behind it. It's just Avril, once again, refusing to deliver something different on stage (in therms of songs choices). About the press and reviews, I don't know how long you are a fan but she always had an amount of reviews about her concerts and press, especially during The Best Damn Tour and HAWT, when she gave exclusive interviews about it (E! news, ET Canada, etc). the amount of people demanding changes it's because her fans are literally exhausted of seeing the same show over the last 10 years. Especially when this tour, which was supposed to be easiest one, became the lazyiest. I think after we all go to her tours we will enjoy it and personally me I don’t wanna go to the next greatest hits tour again so I won’t buy tickets. I think she might not have sold out shows cause people now coming to see her because she was away for many years snd after we have some tours we want to have solid eras tour or non singles concert so she still can get money by making concerts in smaller venues, but with better quality and for true fans. I’m sure even not fans wanna hear other songs so we can’t stand another 10 years of greatest hits tour in the future… we will see, now we have a power to speak up in comment and we all see the truth what fans want. They make an image of super successful tour posting about “sold out” and etc, bringing influencers and etc, but we all know what real fans want to.
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Post by lucasm on Jun 13, 2024 14:52:03 GMT
Super fans are not the general public. We are literally the minority. We are the 1% haha
When Complicated, Girlfriend, My Happy Ending and What The Hell became symbols of Avril's MFP/Emo/pop rock image, this image is alive in 99% of the general public and cannot be discarded. Her manager and Avril wouldn't do that. GH Tour is yes, a great move.
I just wish Avril would look at the super fans, and think:
- Can I sing a song to please my super fans? (WIWH, Hot, HDIF etc, which depends on training with the band) - Can I release b-sides as commemorative EPs on Spotify/Apple Music? (depends on licensing)
These are genuine requests, from people who support her.
Now, regarding the topic, I'm sure that AL8 won't arrive this year given the GH shows around the world (high probability of becoming a GH world tour) and general promotion. Girl, I hope you have plenty of inspiration for AL8. And again a ton of unreleased material...
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Post by Razorqo21 on Jun 13, 2024 20:06:21 GMT
Super fans are not the general public. We are literally the minority. We are the 1% haha When Complicated, Girlfriend, My Happy Ending and What The Hell became symbols of Avril's MFP/Emo/pop rock image, this image is alive in 99% of the general public and cannot be discarded. Her manager and Avril wouldn't do that. GH Tour is yes, a great move. I just wish Avril would look at the super fans, and think: - Can I sing a song to please my super fans? (WIWH, Hot, HDIF etc, which depends on training with the band) - Can I release b-sides as commemorative EPs on Spotify/Apple Music? (depends on licensing) These are genuine requests, from people who support her. Now, regarding the topic, I'm sure that AL8 won't arrive this year given the GH shows around the world (high probability of becoming a GH world tour) and general promotion. Girl, I hope you have plenty of inspiration for AL8. And again a ton of unreleased material... true
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 13, 2024 21:07:15 GMT
She's on tour until September so yeah I think 2025 is more likely for AL8, especially since she probably changed a lot of it.
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Post by erikvaze on Jun 13, 2024 23:03:52 GMT
I mean yeah I would genuinely shocked if she released AL8 this year, like actually shocked. I give it like a 0.05% chance lol. It just does not fit in the plan they have laid out for this year. Max we can get a single end of the year
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Post by blackmage on Jun 14, 2024 1:34:51 GMT
I don't expect any AL8-related releases this year. She's focusing on building and/or furthering her legacy.
This 2000s throwback will SOON fade away. Despite the complaints that we all have, I still stand by my opinion that this is a smart move in terms of career-management. If she doesn't capitalize on this moment to solidify her image, there's a chance she could be "forgotten" or erased by future generations. She will have future opportunities in the near future to release brand new material, but this wave of nostalgia is nearing its end. She needs to take advantage of it because we never know when it will come again.
The general audience is always broader than the strict fanbase... and as some people agreed, she's aiming at them now, after nearly a decade doing some fanservices.
I think she will release new material next year, but not now.
There are rumors about her coming to Australia, Asia, and South America. This tour won't be finished by September; new legs are pretty likely to happen.
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Post by blackmage on Jun 14, 2024 1:44:49 GMT
By the way, I'd prefer to wait for a more cohesive album, like what she achieved with LS (even if people don't like it, it's still a pretty solid record), rather than a rushed, confused and uninspired one. I'm praying that she finds inspiration and establishes new contacts during this tour, which hopefully may contribute to creating a quality album after it.
This might be a stupid theory, but I have a feeling that she was so uninspired after LS and the LS/or AL8 leaks. Then she initially considered exploring rap or new pop-punk songs (with poorly executed samples), but they didn't turn out well, leading her to scrap the whole thing. It seems she is (or was) still searching for a new direction.
If there's any truth in this, then waiting might indeed be the better option. lol
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Post by Razorqo21 on Jun 14, 2024 3:05:59 GMT
By the way, I'd prefer to wait for a more cohesive album, like what she achieved with LS (even if people don't like it, it's still a pretty solid record), rather than a rushed, confused and uninspired one. I'm praying that she finds inspiration and establishes new contacts during this tour, which hopefully may contribute to creating a quality album after it. This might be a stupid theory, but I have a feeling that she was so uninspired after LS and the LS/or AL8 leaks. Then she initially considered exploring rap or new pop-punk songs (with poorly executed samples), but they didn't turn out well, leading her to scrap the whole thing. It seems she is (or was) still searching for a new direction. If there's any truth in this, then waiting might indeed be the better option. lol Totally agree with this. Hope she will find better sound like she tried with those leaks... I mean I get it where she wanted go with that but in country sound or different one she will sound much better not this punk rock hip hop rap influence or what is that. I didnt realised how much I missing her and acoustic guitar after LS sound.... her voice sound so good with acoustic guitar.
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Post by Razorqo21 on Jun 14, 2024 3:07:49 GMT
And as well with her deeper voice not that fun high notes because its making her sound again like chipmunk-ich. Just after LS I personally have enough
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Post by elina on Jun 14, 2024 8:36:31 GMT
By the way, I'd prefer to wait for a more cohesive album, like what she achieved with LS (even if people don't like it, it's still a pretty solid record), rather than a rushed, confused and uninspired one. I'm praying that she finds inspiration and establishes new contacts during this tour, which hopefully may contribute to creating a quality album after it. This might be a stupid theory, but I have a feeling that she was so uninspired after LS and the LS/or AL8 leaks. Then she initially considered exploring rap or new pop-punk songs (with poorly executed samples), but they didn't turn out well, leading her to scrap the whole thing. It seems she is (or was) still searching for a new direction. If there's any truth in this, then waiting might indeed be the better option. lol I'm getting the same feeling. If she released an album now, it would be another self-titled.
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Post by robbolo on Jun 15, 2024 13:03:04 GMT
Just my opinion but…to me - She has a sound tho - the uproar for under my skin esque music again she must be aware of. Love Sux is a great album because it’s actually what she does best. So throw in some deep ballads with some fast angst and voila. = Avril Lavigne.
Rap shit?? No. Whimsical Pop music?? No. Trying to do anything outside of pop punk/emo ballad is where she goes wrong. Most of the music on goodbye lullaby, avril lavigne, and head above water …to me…are forgettable.
Her best albums for me are under my skin, best damn thing and Love Sux.
I do understand though, with Taylor swifts success - that should be avril lavignes spot. She’s the original “sing it like you’d say it” person. So maybe some more grown up lyrics that people can take seriously might help.
We need another MY HAPPY ENDING.
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Post by blackmage on Jun 16, 2024 19:38:44 GMT
I don't know where this came from, and people are treating it as true information. However, Sabrina already has a song written with the same writers and the same title from her 2019 album. Since she is currently promoting her upcoming album and also promoting successful new singles for it, I doubt she would release a remix of such an old song that isn't going viral or whatever. Could this just be an error, or could they be working on something different that was mistakenly reported? Or should we simply ignore the possibility of this collab? x.com/avrilsapatao2/status/1802399218306371660
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Jun 16, 2024 19:50:49 GMT
Just my opinion but…to me - She has a sound tho - the uproar for under my skin esque music again she must be aware of. Love Sux is a great album because it’s actually what she does best. So throw in some deep ballads with some fast angst and voila. = Avril Lavigne. Rap shit?? No. Whimsical Pop music?? No. Trying to do anything outside of pop punk/emo ballad is where she goes wrong. Most of the music on goodbye lullaby, avril lavigne, and head above water …to me…are forgettable. Her best albums for me are under my skin, best damn thing and Love Sux. I do understand though, with Taylor swifts success - that should be avril lavignes spot. She’s the original “sing it like you’d say it” person. So maybe some more grown up lyrics that people can take seriously might help. We need another MY HAPPY ENDING. Disagreed. She did amazing with the first 4 tracks of Head Above Water.
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