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Post by oneofthoseguys on Nov 12, 2023 0:26:47 GMT
She does. Also chemistry didn’t even do that well… legit the only reason she still somewhat popular is cuz of her show. Her Spotify streams are way way less than Avril i think you have to bear in mind that Kelly is much more respected as an artist than Avril ever was. And she is making good music. She's not stuck on her most famous hits or sound. She's always bringing something different in her songwriting and sound, at least on her 2 last records. Avril is not offering anything new in therms of studio tracks and live performances. There's no stage presence anymore, no excitement, no new message on her songs... |
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 12, 2023 0:29:16 GMT
I didn’t say anyone here mentioned UMS 2.0, but I see those comments all over her social media whenever she talks about new music, it’s what most of her fans say they want her to make music like, or when she asks for song requests in concert half the time they’re requesting Nobody’s Home. The fandom is obsessed with that album and clearly want her to make another album that’s similar or bring back those songs in concert, and tbh I just get tired of seeing it because I think that album is incredibly overrated in her discography. I just don’t understand the extreme obsession with it. It would make sense to bring back the UMS singles in concert IF she’s planning on celebrating the anniversary next year like she did with LG, otherwise we really don’t need an already short and old singles-filled setlist being taken up by B-tier songs like DTM and He Wasnt that have already been performed tons of times. I thought people were suggesting she incorporate those into the setlist outside the context of it being the anniversary. As far as her doing anything heavier or darker for the next album, I think it would make sense if she plans to write songs about the breakup with Mod and it would be a nice change of pace from LS. But I’d want to see something more modernized like Eyes Wide Shut, not a 2004 rock sound that would sound soooo outdated. And please more variety than UMS, part of the reason I don’t like that album is it’s so damn monotonous. It’s like the same sounding song the whole album apart from a few upbeat songs, it’s just depressing to me. I will tell you why this album is so loved by her fandom. Its her best work in therms of production. Alternative rock suits her voice very well. A lot of people notice it when they listen to her whole discography. The best album in therms of lyrics is Let Go. The best one in therms of instrumentals/production is Under My Skin. Her most solide/coehesive mature albums. The rest is basic and predictable. Her most authentic albums are the LG, UMS and TBDT. Its kinda bizarre seeing you call UMS overrated while Goodbye Lullaby, Self titled album exist on her catalogue. I’m not saying UMS isn’t a solid or well produced album. It is. But the way people go on about it it’s like they forget her other albums even exist, as if it’s the only good album she’s ever made or she’ll never make anything better than an album she made 20 freaking years ago. It might be a well produced album in terms of instruments, mixing, production, vocals, but it has some of her weakest writing for sure. I’m saying UMS is overrated because fans think it’s better than I think it is. It has nothing to do with GL or AL? Nobody in the fandom praises those albums. They wouldn’t be considered overrated unless fans overwhelmingly gave more praise to those albums than they objectively deserve. |
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Nov 12, 2023 0:30:21 GMT
I will tell you why this album is so loved by her fandom. Its her best work in therms of production. Alternative rock suits her voice very well. A lot of people notice it when they listen to her whole discography. The best album in therms of lyrics is Let Go. The best one in therms of instrumentals/production is Under My Skin. Her most solide/coehesive mature albums. The rest is basic and predictable. Her most authentic albums are the LG, UMS and TBDT. Its kinda bizarre seeing you call UMS overrated while Goodbye Lullaby, Self titled album exist on her catalogue. It is overrated. Her fans have literally not shut up about it in the last decade. GL and AL exist in her catalogue, but they're widely disliked, so idk what's the point. The only reason UMS is so beloved is because of it's sound + her being probably at her peak as a performer during that time + nostalgia. Well, you just gave 3 solid reasons why she should take this album as an inspiration for AL8. The reality hurts but we all know that old eras are only remarkable for her in therms of clothes, aesthetic and poses. Its always about anything but the songwriting and thr sound of the era. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 0:32:54 GMT
i think you have to bear in mind that Kelly is much more respected as an artist than Avril ever was. And she is making good music. She's not stuck on her most famous hits or sound. She's always bringing something different in her songwriting and sound, at least on her 2 last records. Avril is not offering anything new in therms of studio tracks and live performances. There's no stage presence anymore, no excitement, no new message on her songs... Ok hold on Avril is making good music too. Love Sux isn’t suppose to have masterful songwriting it’s fun. I feel like you’re judging solely off of love Sux and your attitude is horrible so dial it way down. And also yeah her stage presence could be better and I think it is getting better she was pretty much great in her Europe shows this year. And you’re judging solely off Love sux era. HAW era her stage presence was actually really good I watched videos it looked so much fun and ngl a little better than the love Sux shows. The writing on HAW album is argue is some of her better writing since UMS. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 0:34:30 GMT
It is overrated. Her fans have literally not shut up about it in the last decade. GL and AL exist in her catalogue, but they're widely disliked, so idk what's the point. The only reason UMS is so beloved is because of it's sound + her being probably at her peak as a performer during that time + nostalgia. Well, you just gave 3 solid reasons why she should take this album as an inspiration for AL8. The reality hurts but we all know that old eras are only remarkable for her in therms of clothes, aesthetic and poses. Its always about anything but the songwriting and thr sound of the era. Until Feb I thought the LS era was really good for asthetics clothes on stage and hell ignoring the shit fan that hit with you know who her Europe shows were really good. Best era in a while I’d say |
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Post by afonso16 on Nov 12, 2023 0:34:42 GMT
It is overrated. Her fans have literally not shut up about it in the last decade. GL and AL exist in her catalogue, but they're widely disliked, so idk what's the point. The only reason UMS is so beloved is because of it's sound + her being probably at her peak as a performer during that time + nostalgia. Well, you just gave 3 solid reasons why she should take this album as an inspiration for AL8. The reality hurts but we all know that old eras are only remarkable for her in therms of clothes, aesthetic and poses. Its always about anything but the songwriting and thr sound of the era. If we're talking about songwriting then UMS should be the second to last example we should bring to the table... |
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Post by orangesky on Nov 12, 2023 0:57:08 GMT
I think everyone's overcomplicating the UMS love. I think it's as simple as fans liking that sound and style, the way she focused on relatable emotions, and wishing they got more than one album of it. Just look at how much everyone loves Avalanche because of the subject matter. I can see people being really happy with an album of songs more like that and it scratching that UMS itch for them tbh
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 0:59:46 GMT
I think everyone's overcomplicating the UMS love. I think it's as simple as fans liking that sound and style, the way she focused on relatable emotions, and wishing they got more than one album of it. Just look at how much everyone loves Avalanche because of the subject matter. I can see people being really happy with an album of songs more like that and it scratching that UMS itch for them tbh Yeah im notsaying Avril is the best songwriter in the world but thats ok she doesnt need to be. She makes songs that are relatable that a person can relate to and UMS is a dark brooading sound which i love. Simple as that |
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Post by afonso16 on Nov 12, 2023 1:26:31 GMT
I just thought, when was th elast itme we even heard her utter the worlds Under My Skin, The Best Damn Thing, Goodbye Lullaby, Self Titled? I know im a fairley nwer fan then most of you but from whati can find from HAW era to today, is her talking about LG, LS< and HAW, and thats it She's been mostly talking about Let Go and HAW, yes. I think she mentioned how her style changed with UMS in one of her fashion interviews + that one time she got banned from TRL in 2004. In regards to TBDT, I think she was asked more than once what she thought about people finding LS similar to TBDT. As to AL, she's talked about liking HTNGU now more than ever and she also consistently uses Bitchin' Summer in her instagram stories. This is from 2012, but she talks about each of her first 3 eras in this documentary. She spends quite some time talking about how TBDT was different for her at the time: |
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Post by biggerwow on Nov 12, 2023 1:45:24 GMT
I wouldn't mind an album with heavy guitar and drums with a more mature sound than the juvenile sound of pop punk (TBDT/LS). But relatable songwriting? I really liked avalanche and UMS has some deep songs but she's so heavily focused on toxic relationships too. UMS, TBDT, first half of HAW, LS. I remember before LS I wanted some fun or upbeat songs I could relate to as an adult. I got the upbeat part but they're so aggressive and overly focused on bois but her one-sided view.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 4:34:23 GMT
No legit if you told me this was taken during the Bonez tour. I’d believe you.love this look! |
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Post by doubtfire on Nov 12, 2023 5:45:47 GMT
It has always confused me why fans hate GL so much… if you take Everybody Hurts, Not Enough, the ballads from AL5, and IFILWTD and Birdie, you’d have a grown up and modern version of UMS. I would love to see her go that direction with AL8, but throw in heavy guitars. But what I’d really like to get from her is a country or folk/pop album (akin to Jewel, Shawn Colvin, Lisa Loeb, k.d. lang, and Alison Krauss), but with her current behavior and styling, maybe give her another 10 years… Love Sux was such a huge step in the wrong direction… HAW was great that she experimented with jazz elements. I want to keep hearing her push herself instead of this crap meant to service the general public
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Post by biggerwow on Nov 12, 2023 5:46:30 GMT
No legit if you told me this was taken during the Bonez tour. I’d believe you.love this look! you know those chic photoshoots she did 2005-2006? (See Pinterest link) She looks that young. Did they use a filter or is it the makeup? I'm not the typical fan that says she doesn't age because she has but these pics😲 pin.it/3W5CAbSNow that I talked about her makeup let me dunk on her designer 😅 because I just saw the insta story of his runaway show. It's not that I hate it, but I don't love it. And I want to ask you guys. Do you think he draws inspiration from Avril or does he take her individuality? Does that make sense? Like idk what other celeb would wear his stuff other than Avril. ALL of those outfits in her story are thingsshed wear. I really hope she gets a new stylist for AL8 era. |
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Post by katy on Nov 12, 2023 7:41:18 GMT
I wouldn't mind an album with heavy guitar and drums with a more mature sound than the juvenile sound of pop punk (TBDT/LS). But relatable songwriting? I really liked avalanche and UMS has some deep songs but she's so heavily focused on toxic relationships too. UMS, TBDT, first half of HAW, LS. I remember before LS I wanted some fun or upbeat songs I could relate to as an adult. I got the upbeat part but they're so aggressive and overly focused on bois but her one-sided view. Yeah agree with this. Her songwriting isn’t and never really has been relatable for your average person. The angry boys suck they’re always in the wrong thing worked earlier in her career because her fans were young and that’s the kind of childish logic teens use. As she’s got older her writing hasn’t really changed and it’s not relatable for your average adult at all. Idk why people always say it is! Re those pics.. she looks nice but that first batch are quite heavily edited I think. There’s more in the replies on Twitter and she looks good, but not like she does in those first couple |
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