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Post by gabbox on Feb 1, 2021 20:37:39 GMT
When Chelsea says: "this he played with my make up is it a code for something else?" and Avril said "yes it is about pussy" ?!
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Post by biggerwow on Feb 1, 2021 20:44:09 GMT
When Chelsea says: "this he played with my make up is it a code for something else?" and Avril said "yes it is about pussy" ?! I think you missed the part where they changed the conversation to Hello Kitty. I did too. I was like WTF but no she was joking about HK.
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Post by gabbox on Feb 1, 2021 20:45:09 GMT
When Chelsea says: "this he played with my make up is it a code for something else?" and Avril said "yes it is about pussy" ?! I think you missed the part where they changed the conversation to Hello Kitty. I did too. I was like WTF but no she was joking about HK. Ah ok thanks... ! It was misleading
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Post by morphine on Feb 1, 2021 20:46:25 GMT
I do believe they ever had sex. Obviously consented. But we will never know. I don't think Avril is going to talk about this..
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Post by slapstick on Feb 1, 2021 21:01:09 GMT
now that it's official, I hope she never work with him again or stays in touch. I'm so sad that women had to go through this and that Avril worked with him withouth knowing or even noticing it. It's really really sad when you come to think that you were around this kind of person and you could be one of their victims. One of my former professors was just recently put into spotlight by the educational facility leadership because he is accused by a number of girl students that he acted in various reprehensible ways. I was kind of intimidated by him because you never knew when he became pissed during one-on-one exams in his office, but I didn't hear anything particularly troublesome about him in the hallways from fellow students (though I'm sometimes admittedly blind to cues and hints), and I think it was because each of the victims began doubting themselves since one doesn't expect something like that to be going on in your life. It only came to light after an official board went up where each student was obligated to rate all professors for the purpose of detecting problematic ones. Needless to say, it's a bit of a surreal experience.
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Post by Meteora on Feb 1, 2021 21:44:00 GMT
now that it's official, I hope she never work with him again or stays in touch. I'm so sad that women had to go through this and that Avril worked with him withouth knowing or even noticing it. It's really really sad when you come to think that you were around this kind of person and you could be one of their victims. One of my former professors was just recently put into spotlight by the educational facility leadership because he is accused by a number of girl students that he acted in various reprehensible ways. I was kind of intimidated by him because you never knew when he became pissed during one-on-one exams in his office, but I didn't hear anything particularly troublesome about him in the hallways from fellow students (though I'm sometimes admittedly blind to cues and hints), and I think it was because each of the victims began doubting themselves since one doesn't expect something like that to be going on in your life. It only came to light after an official board went up where each student was obligated to rate all professors for the purpose of detecting problematic ones. Needless to say, it's a bit of a surreal experience. I'm sorry this just happened to all of you. Stay strong. I'm a man so I don't have much of a voice in this cases bc as we all know we're not in a place of speaking but supporting and rise awareness of sexual abuse so anything I (we) can do to give you support or if any of you need to open up about something like this, don't even doubt it. I'm sure there's a place in this community so we can talk about this, get it out and feel less lonely.
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Post by freakout on Feb 1, 2021 22:28:28 GMT
Dammit. I can't find the video right now, but there is this one video where Marilyn Manson says that he knows people in gangs and if you piss him off enough he can send some gangsters after you or something like that. One of the victims that came forward mentioned this as well. See the attached reference to MS 13.
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Post by slapstick on Feb 1, 2021 22:36:45 GMT
One of my former professors was just recently put into spotlight by the educational facility leadership because he is accused by a number of girl students that he acted in various reprehensible ways. I was kind of intimidated by him because you never knew when he became pissed during one-on-one exams in his office, but I didn't hear anything particularly troublesome about him in the hallways from fellow students (though I'm sometimes admittedly blind to cues and hints), and I think it was because each of the victims began doubting themselves since one doesn't expect something like that to be going on in your life. It only came to light after an official board went up where each student was obligated to rate all professors for the purpose of detecting problematic ones. Needless to say, it's a bit of a surreal experience. I'm sorry this just happened to all of you. Stay strong. I'm a man so I don't have much of a voice in this cases bc as we all know we're not in a place of speaking but supporting and rise awareness of sexual abuse so anything I (we) can do to give you support or if any of you need to open up about something like this, don't even doubt it. I'm sure there's a place in this community so we can talk about this, get it out and feel less lonely. Oh, I was a bit unclear maybe - I'm a guy, so I probably wasn't the target, but it was surreal regardless, you just don't expect such a thing to happen, and it really makes you wonder how many things you don't really notice going on around you..
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Post by lajra on Feb 1, 2021 23:39:18 GMT
I normally don't judge people by their look but he already looks like some crazy psycho
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Post by MyHappySk8er on Feb 2, 2021 4:56:22 GMT
I think I remember Manson implying that he had sex with Avril in an interview. I'm wrong?. He outright said that they fucked when he was interviewed this one time, but I'm pretty sure it was a joke.
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Post by gabbox on Feb 2, 2021 10:49:02 GMT
Just as an update, all media talk about this . He has no label anymore
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Post by Sara on Feb 2, 2021 12:47:33 GMT
I'm reading so many things about this story, the usual ones, that "whoever is abused, goes to the police, doesn't say it on social networks" etc... nobody, especially those who have never had these horrible experiences, should judge who and how she decides to react, or how she decides to say it. The only thing that should be done in these cases is to support the victim and applause her to come out of the closet.
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Post by alavigneIE on Feb 2, 2021 14:46:18 GMT
I find it disturbing to read some of the messages in this thread, especially those written by female users, implying that these victims may be lying ot that they should have known what to expect when dating a man like Manson.
False rape allegations, which are a very low percentage, are real but what are the figures compared to the the numbers of women who have actually been abused, assaulted and raped? What about the number of women who have never reported their abusers? And no offence, but just because you date a guy who looks like a weirdo, is into rock and likes partying hard, you don't have to be mistreated and abused. Please, stop victim blaming and shaming. Stop justifying abuse.
As for the main question of this thread, I don't think I'll stop listening to Marilyn Manson's old music but I won't buy any upcoming CD of his. Likewise, I will stop following him on all social networks and won't attend any of his shows anymore. I'm not gonna stop listening to TBDT either, just because Dr Luke worked with Avril, but I won't consume any products/music.
Anyway, I hope Avril doesn't work with either of them in the future and at the same time, I believe it's high time she made an official statement. You can't stay in the dark forever and pretend nothing is going on. We must stand up for the victims.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 2, 2021 15:16:39 GMT
I don’t feel it’s necessary for Avril to say anything publicly about this honestly unless she is asked directly or has something to contribute to the conversation. Unless she’s been personally victimized by him, there’s no reason for her to say anything on this matter. IMO she’s better off staying out of it unless it concerns her directly and that is likely what she’ll do. She can offer her support behind the scenes.
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Post by alavigneIE on Feb 2, 2021 15:32:01 GMT
I don’t feel it’s necessary for Avril to say anything publicly about this honestly unless she is asked directly or has something to contribute to the conversation. Unless she’s been personally victimized by him, there’s no reason for her to say anything on this matter. IMO she’s better off staying out of it unless it concerns her directly and that is likely what she’ll do. She can offer her support behind the scenes. I'm sorry but I call that having double standards. I don't think it's right to keep quiet to avoid controversy and a bad reputation, and then support the victim in secret. For instance, Rose McGowan has spoken up and said on Instagram that she hasn't experienced any type of abuse from the ex boyfriend, but still she has said she is there for all the victims. Why couldn't Avril do something similar? I'll say it again, it isn't right to keep quietm but speaking up for the victims is. I know it must be hard and you must be brave, but at the end of the day, you gotta do what's right.
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