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Post by MyHappySk8er on Feb 2, 2021 15:56:41 GMT
I don’t feel it’s necessary for Avril to say anything publicly about this honestly unless she is asked directly or has something to contribute to the conversation. Unless she’s been personally victimized by him, there’s no reason for her to say anything on this matter. IMO she’s better off staying out of it unless it concerns her directly and that is likely what she’ll do. She can offer her support behind the scenes. I'm sorry but I call that having double standards. I don't think it's right to keep quiet to avoid controversy and a bad reputation, and then support the victim in secret. For instance, Rose McGowan has spoken up and said on Instagram that she hasn't experienced any type of abuse from the ex boyfriend, but still she has said she is there for all the victims. Why couldn't Avril do something similar? I'll say it again, it isn't right to keep quietm but speaking up for the victims is. I know it must be hard and you must be brave, but at the end of the day, you gotta do what's right. Many people are already doing "what's right" and they're actually in a position where they can wreck Marilyn Manson's reputation. The unfortunate truth is that even if you are in the absolute right, you really really do not want your name anywhere near this fire. Your name will forever be linked to this situation and people can misconstrue your involvement. You could be seen as a troublemaker and lose opportunities. Bravo to the people that spoke up, but Avril just shouldn't get involved unless she's closer to the situation. I've been bashed on many times for doing the "right thing." I definitely wouldn't blame her if Avril doesn't say anything. People are just assholes who will victim blame.
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Post by eismann on Feb 2, 2021 15:59:27 GMT
I feel like she shouldnt do a whole long statement or talk about it in Interviews, mainly because sometimes she is really bad at wording and expresses things in a way that could be turned against her. But she has worked with him, she openly supported him, she wanted to use his image for "rock credibility" - so she should also react to this negative story. I hope she reaches out to Evan in private (I think she does) but a little public support would be appropriate. It could be something small like tweeting that she applauses everyone who comes forward and call out abusers or post a video where she throws away the shirt she used to wear that has his face on it or publish a version of Bad Girl without him etc. Imo it's not right to profit from his edgy image but remain silent once that image is not useful or even harmful to her anymore.
Edit: Obviously if she has been a victim of him as well in any way, she has the right to not openly discuss this.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 2, 2021 15:59:54 GMT
I don’t feel it’s necessary for Avril to say anything publicly about this honestly unless she is asked directly or has something to contribute to the conversation. Unless she’s been personally victimized by him, there’s no reason for her to say anything on this matter. IMO she’s better off staying out of it unless it concerns her directly and that is likely what she’ll do. She can offer her support behind the scenes. I'm sorry but I call that having double standards. I don't think it's right to keep quiet to avoid controversy and a bad reputation, and then support the victim in secret. For instance, Rose McGowan has spoken up and said on Instagram that she hasn't experienced any type of abuse from the ex boyfriend, but still she has said she is there for all the victims. Why couldn't Avril do something similar? I'll say it again, it isn't right to keep quietm but speaking up for the victims is. I know it must be hard and you must be brave, but at the end of the day, you gotta do what's right. Speaking out publicly isn’t the only way she can show her support, nor does it mean that staying silent is supporting the abuser. That’s my point. Now is the time for victims to come forward and share what’s happened to them. Nobody needs or wants to hear from Avril unless she also has some experience to share. This isn’t about her.
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Post by eismann on Feb 2, 2021 16:06:04 GMT
I'm sorry but I call that having double standards. I don't think it's right to keep quiet to avoid controversy and a bad reputation, and then support the victim in secret. For instance, Rose McGowan has spoken up and said on Instagram that she hasn't experienced any type of abuse from the ex boyfriend, but still she has said she is there for all the victims. Why couldn't Avril do something similar? I'll say it again, it isn't right to keep quietm but speaking up for the victims is. I know it must be hard and you must be brave, but at the end of the day, you gotta do what's right. Many people are already doing "what's right" and they're actually in a position where they can wreck Marilyn Manson's reputation. The unfortunate truth is that even if you are in the absolute right, you really really do not want your name anywhere near this fire. Your name will forever be linked to this situation and people can misconstrue your involvement. You could be seen as a troublemaker and lose opportunities. Bravo to the people that spoke up, but Avril just shouldn't get involved unless she's closer to the situation. I've been bashed on many times for doing the "right thing." I definitely wouldn't blame her if Avril doesn't say anything. People are just assholes who will victim blame. I understand your intention but I think she is already linked to him and this situation. I read through an online forum (about pop and music) and they already start bringing up her collaboration with him and their friendship. It's only a matter of time before fans and media will bring up her picture where she poses with Evan or the interviews where she praises Manson etc.
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Post by Sara on Feb 2, 2021 17:38:44 GMT
I don’t feel it’s necessary for Avril to say anything publicly about this honestly unless she is asked directly or has something to contribute to the conversation. Unless she’s been personally victimized by him, there’s no reason for her to say anything on this matter. IMO she’s better off staying out of it unless it concerns her directly and that is likely what she’ll do. She can offer her support behind the scenes. I'm sorry but I call that having double standards. I don't think it's right to keep quiet to avoid controversy and a bad reputation, and then support the victim in secret. For instance, Rose McGowan has spoken up and said on Instagram that she hasn't experienced any type of abuse from the ex boyfriend, but still she has said she is there for all the victims. Why couldn't Avril do something similar? I'll say it again, it isn't right to keep quietm but speaking up for the victims is. I know it must be hard and you must be brave, but at the end of the day, you gotta do what's right. Rose McGowan is an Manson's ex, and one of the first to accuse Weinstein of abuse. So I think it makes sense for her to speak. While Avril does well to remain silent if she has not undergone no abuse from him.
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Post by HeiBai on Feb 2, 2021 19:35:28 GMT
I'm not surprised by Manson being a creepy weirdo who does shit like I've been reading. The interaction with Avril (shaving her head especially and how she looks in those pictures posted earlier) gives me bad vibes and I wouldn't want her near him if that's the effect it has on her. However, I have no idea of what it was actually like so I can't speak for Avril. The idea that anything happened between them now knowing the type of person he seems to be though? Ew.
I'm with BogoGog24 on this one. I don't think Avril has to come out and get involved/have her name associated publicly with a messy situation and run the risk of it somehow backfiring on her. What if she speaks out and people then start associating her name with this travesty or start saying her words are hollow because of how she's "always supported Manson" or something like that? It could reflect horribly on her upcoming album plans and she really doesn't need any association with controversy. She can reach out and show her support to the victims behind the scenes and that'd be upstanding of her. Doing something like "throwing away her shirt on video" honestly seems kind of dramatic and doesn't really help anyone. It just possibly brings the bad kind of attention. Unless she has something personal to contribute she should keep her name clear of this if she can and show her support in private.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 2, 2021 20:02:27 GMT
Avril’s also never been super outspoken about stuff like this either. This isn’t really that different from the Dr. Luke situation, which she also never publicly commented on. We have to remember she comes from a generation where social media didn’t exist. In her mind, she doesn’t believe she needs to post something publicly in order to show where she stands.
We also don’t know what her experiences are, with Manson or other people in the industry. This could be a potentially sensitive topic for her. She briefly mentioned the harassment she endured from Rotem when speaking about IFILWTD and DB but she never even mentioned him by name or spoke in detail about what happened. Sounds like she’s dealt with her share of assholes in the past and maybe this brings up bad memories for her, or she fears backlash from powerful industry folks. She shouldn’t be pressured into speaking about it if she doesn’t want to.
If she wants to say something about it, more power to her if she does. But I won’t lose respect for her if she stays silent or only shows her support behind the scenes either. Where I would lose respect for her is if she continues to be friendly with him, talk about how cool he is, or works with him on future music fully knowing what he’s done and what kind of person he is. She was likely not aware of what he was doing all those years she was friends with him or worked with him, and it’s not like she can go back and erase it or pretend it didn’t happen. What she does about it going forward is what matters.
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Post by katy on Feb 2, 2021 21:31:18 GMT
Interesting how many women are saying he controlled things like their hair, makeup and clothes. All we’ve heard from Avril over the years is “he shaved my head and did my makeup!”. Obviously not saying anything untoward happened with Avril, but interesting parallels making the women’s accounts even more convincing nonetheless.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 2, 2021 22:05:18 GMT
For all we know she could be reeling from this news and replaying all their interactions in her mind to try to figure out if she herself was victimized by him without even realizing.
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Post by gabbox on Feb 2, 2021 23:40:41 GMT
Of all the crazy s... coming out from all the Stories Evan Rachel is sharing, I will never listen to Bad Girl anymore, it disgusts me now even only hearing his voice at the beginning 🤢
About MM, he posted a thought on Instagram and he didn’t deny anything. He just pointed out “they were all consensual”. I’m even more disgusted by him sorry
As bogo said, she doesn’t necessarily have to speak up. And part of me wishes she never will. I just hope she takes her part from him, how can you be a friend of such a person? How she behaves from now on is important, maybe she didn’t know or was even Avril subtly molested and she didn’t even understand.
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Post by chelseafaye on Feb 3, 2021 6:09:51 GMT
I was watching an Instalive last night and Chantal Kreviazuk was the guest, but the MM thing came up and she said 'I know someone, and I can't name names because I'd get sued, but I was working with someone that always went to his hotel room when he was in town, and she was barely/just of age.' She mentioned being pregnant at the time, and that was roughly around 2003/2004 UMS-recording era. Mind you, she did work with a few younger artists around that time after UMS but yeah...the chat comments erupted with Avril's name.
Who knows though. I just thought it was interesting.
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Post by gabbox on Feb 3, 2021 8:32:38 GMT
I was watching an Instalive last night and Chantal Kreviazuk was the guest, but the MM thing came up and she said 'I know someone, and I can't name names because I'd get sued, but I was working with someone that always went to his hotel room when he was in town, and she was barely/just of age.' She mentioned being pregnant at the time, and that was roughly around 2003/2004 UMS-recording era. Mind you, she did work with a few younger artists around that time after UMS but yeah...the chat comments erupted with Avril's name. Who knows though. I just thought it was interesting. Oh Chantal. I don't know if she meant Avril, but clearly the link is obvious. For the timing, for the fact Avril knew MM in that time and also because Avril was and still is the biggest name she worked with. The link is obvious and Chantal knows. I would take anything this woman says with a grain of salt (is she still relevant to be interviewed? I'm shocked). We all know the Contagious stuff.. and the bad blood between them. Even if it were true, how does she know about Av going to MM hotel room every time?! I can't believe her. They wrote together for a few months, she was not Avril's manager checking all her movements. Knowing Avril and knowing her crazy personality, I wouldn't be too surprised anyways. Maybe she had fun with him before Deryck in 2004. Who knows. But I admit I would be a bit Shocked. Deep inside not surprised, but shocked. Hope you can understand what I mean. All I hope is that she wasn't abused or taken into the drugs world. Anyways I don't like this woman Chantal even just for the fact she instills this doubt. I don't like her. She's a viper, I can guess why Avril is not her friend anymore.
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Post by gabbox on Feb 3, 2021 8:41:30 GMT
Look what I found from Rolling Stone of many years ago.
Avril Lavigne’s Dark Side Singer digs deep with help from Chantal Kreviazuk
Despite more than ten years difference in age, fellow Canadians Chantal Kreviazuk and Avril Lavigne formed a relationship of mutual respect and sisterhood — and become songwriting partners — after they met last summer. “We became really good friends, and no one knew we were writing together,” says Lavigne. “Every single night for two weeks, we would write a new song. And then I was like, ‘OK, I’m ready to record them.'” The pair co-wrote six songs on Lavigne’s forthcoming album, Under My Skin (due May 25th): “Slipped Away,” “Forgotten,” “Together,” “How Does It Feel,” “He Wasn’t” and “Who Knows.” “Sometimes, she was my muse,” says Kreviazuk, 31. “She was a nineteen-year-old, so I’d go into her space and then it would build from there. Sometimes, she would be the mature one and we would flip back and forth and change our roles with each other.” Kreviazuk describes “He Wasn’t” as “a super-fun, punk, screw-you-to-boys song.” “Forgotten” is a driving rock song inspired by similarly vibed music Lavigne was consumed with at the time.
“She was kind of going through this goth, Marilyn Manson phase, totally finding herself in really dark, heavy music,” says Kreviazuk. “She couldn’t get enough of it. She wanted to make sure that side of her came through on the album.” Lavigne admits that the new album is “darker, moodier, deeper, more mature” and says there are some piano-driven songs that show Kreviazuk’s influence.
And despite Lavigne’s age, she impressed her older counterpart. “She has instincts like I had never seen before,” Kreviazuk says. “I learn from her because we think differently. I think with my head, and she thinks with her gut.”
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Post by Underclass King on Feb 3, 2021 11:24:20 GMT
I was watching an Instalive last night and Chantal Kreviazuk was the guest, but the MM thing came up and she said 'I know someone, and I can't name names because I'd get sued, but I was working with someone that always went to his hotel room when he was in town, and she was barely/just of age.' She mentioned being pregnant at the time, and that was roughly around 2003/2004 UMS-recording era. Mind you, she did work with a few younger artists around that time after UMS but yeah...the chat comments erupted with Avril's name. Who knows though. I just thought it was interesting. I’m almost certain she is referring to Avril. Looking at Chantal’s writing/production discography, Avril, Kelly Clarkson, and Gwen Stefani are the only artists she worked with in 2003/2004. Kelly would’ve been around 22 which is older than barely legal, and Gwen was well past her teenage years. Chantal did, however, work with Marion Raven in 2005, who is also the same age as Avril. Sites like MTV report though that Avril met Marilyn Manson at a concert when she was 18 and they became friends, leading me to the conclusion of Avril. I don’t want to make any presumptions, but I truly hope no abusive behavior happened with Avril and I also really admire the courage Evan Rachel Wood has for speaking out.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 3, 2021 13:09:20 GMT
Yikes, I really hope if any of that’s true that nothing happened. We’ll probably never know because I don’t see Avril talking about this unless something happened that she feels the need to speak up about.
All we know about their friendship based on what Avril has described is that it sounds like they’d only see each other once in a while, like she’d go backstage or on his bus when he was in town for a concert. That was how he shaved her head, because he happened to be in Paris for a concert at the time she was living there. I get a vibe based on what she’s said that they only really ever saw each other at concerts and it sounds like she only went to his shows and not the other way around. Avril was living with Chantal throughout the making of UMS, which was a good 6-7 months, so she definitely would have known if Avril was going to see him at all. I hope if that’s the case, that it was just more “friends hanging out” than anything sexual. I just honestly can’t imagine anything sexual happening between them because we all know she was kind of against sex at the time in her life and I’m pretty sure Deryck was her first. But obviously we don’t know anything for sure, we can only make assumptions. I just hope nothing bad happened to her.
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