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Post by eismann on Feb 3, 2021 13:18:20 GMT
Why would you say she was against sex during that time and that Deryck was probably her first? And why "do we all know that"? I'm really surprised becauss I have honestly never heard of that before and I dont think like that at all...
My thoughts are: Wouldnt Avril brag about it if she had spend a lot of time with MM and even had sex with him (or whatever)? She used to use everything to push her "rock credibility", especially when she was younger. I just cant imagine it would have been a secret all these years.
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Post by orangesky on Feb 3, 2021 14:23:13 GMT
I doubt she would have bragged about sleeping with anyone because she's a very private person and would have gotten so much shit for that as a young woman. Deryck may have been her first though probably it was Jesse but it could have easily been someone else. I don't get the feeling she was the type for casual sex, especially at that age though. We can pretty safely assume she wasn't having sex pre-DTM but she wrote that before she debuted. Maybe she brought it back on UMS because it got with her feeling pressured by Jesse but who knows.
Sounds like chantal was definitely implying Avril though. She said everytime MM was in town she'd go to his hotel room though. I mean over such a short period of time how often would he be in and out of a place he clearly didn't live in if he was at a hotel? Sounds like she's exaggerating
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 3, 2021 14:24:32 GMT
Why would you say she was against sex during that time and that Deryck was probably her first? And why "do we all know that"? I'm really surprised becauss I have honestly never heard of that before and I dont think like that at all... My thoughts are: Wouldnt Avril brag about it if she had spend a lot of time with MM and even had sex with him (or whatever)? She used to use everything to push her "rock credibility", especially when she was younger. I just cant imagine it would have been a secret all these years. DTM being a big example. That doesn’t necessarily imply she herself wasn’t ready to have sex, but she made a big point to say don’t let anyone push you into anything you don’t want to do, etc. She described it as her “girl power” anthem and we all know she wasn’t about selling a sexual image at that point in her career. Again, it doesn’t mean she wasn’t having sex at that time, but it seems kind of weird to talk about girl power and all that if she was. I remember a random interview where she was asked about it and if she was “waiting,” and she said something like “I believe in waiting,” they then asked if she was and she said “no” or something to that effect. I believe she was 19 at the time and already with Deryck, which sort of implied they had already been intimate. Given her dating history and her publicly known feelings on the matter, it just wouldn’t surprise me if Deryck was her first, I mean she did marry him. But like I said, obviously we don’t know the details of her personal life, nor is it our business. My main point is that I just don’t see anything sexual happening between her and Manson, especially not when she was that young, but I only hope if anything did happen, that it wasn’t anything bad or harmful to her. While I see what you mean that you’d think she’d go around bragging about it if anything happened between them, I sort of don’t think she’d talk about sexual encounters with rockstars. If anything, she’d probably only discuss hanging out with him like she did. She’s always been pretty private about her personal life and I don’t think she would brag about sleeping with a rockstar to gain credibility, I feel like even she would think that’s pretty lame.
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Post by katy on Feb 3, 2021 14:37:28 GMT
I dunno, I don’t think the “girl power” message behind DTM is relevant to whether she was sexually active or not. It’s about not letting someone pressure you into having sex if you’re not ready, not just not having sex because “girl power”. Just based off the average age people lose their virginity, and the fact we know she had boyfriends before Deryck, I’d be very surprised if he was her first, but who knows!
Anyway yeah, either way I hope nothing happened with Manson. If it did (and it wasn’t consensual) then I’d prefer her to speak out, but ultimately it’s up to her.
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Post by eismann on Feb 3, 2021 14:46:22 GMT
Yes I mean we know Avril, she wouldnt scream "I have had sex with this man" to the press but I feel like she would have talked about him and their "connection" a loooot more if she was seeing him regularly. But then again it's true that seeing him every time he was in town is probably not as often as we imagine. Anyway I hope whatever that thing between her and MM is, it was without harm or pressure. And hopefully she will never hang out with him again. And I dont see how criticising the sex sells approach has anything to do with having sex. The same applies for DTM. Just because she sings about not wanting to get laid by random/different dudes or would rather wait a bit longer, doesn't mean she was a virgin until Deryck. I remember she talked about not being into ONS/casual sex, but she has had relationships before Deryck. Anyway, it's none of our business and I dont even care with whom she has had sex for the first time etc. - I just wanted to say that to me I have never seen her being against sex and I dont think that is an unofficial fact we know about her (cant think of an example of some unofficial facts that we know about her, but I hope you know what I mean).
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 3, 2021 15:41:22 GMT
Yeah I don’t know, it was always just the vibe I got from her and my own personal assumption but obviously we have no way of knowing unless she chooses to share that information.
Regardless, I think we’re all just hoping if anything sexual did happen between her and Manson, that it was nothing bad.
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Post by HeiBai on Feb 3, 2021 17:16:57 GMT
Interesting how many women are saying he controlled things like their hair, makeup and clothes. All we’ve heard from Avril over the years is “he shaved my head and did my makeup!”. Obviously not saying anything untoward happened with Avril, but interesting parallels making the women’s accounts even more convincing nonetheless. This is getting a big yikes from me. Knowing what he did "do to her" being similar to the stuff he's into with women he's abused makes it seem like he was kind of trying to do his thing with her when he saw his chance. Wonder if Avril is now feeling weirded out or if she ever even considered before he might have been trying something. Though given the fact she talked openly about him shaving her head for some "rocker cred" I think she's honestly never seen it as potentially problematic. Maybe that's indicative of the crazy spheres you can end up finding yourself in that stuff like that becomes touted as "cool" without a second thought. I also don't think she'd still wear a shirt of someone that (she knew) abused her so I'm just guessing/hoping nothing weirder than that happened.
To be honest I think it's kind of odd that now the age that Avril lost her virginity gets brought up in this thread. Is there nothing that Manson won't make creepy!!??
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 3, 2021 17:29:21 GMT
Given how sheltered Avril was, I wouldn’t be surprised if at the age of 19 she viewed things like hanging out with him and doing what she perceived to be as normal things like painting their nails and playing with makeup was just that, without realizing there could have been an ulterior motive to it. I don’t expect she will comment on this situation honestly and could potentially be shocked by this news of someone she considered a friend, maybe even considering her own interactions with him and wondering if she was a victim without even realizing it.
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Post by MyHappySk8er on Feb 3, 2021 18:08:12 GMT
Interesting how many women are saying he controlled things like their hair, makeup and clothes. All we’ve heard from Avril over the years is “he shaved my head and did my makeup!”. Obviously not saying anything untoward happened with Avril, but interesting parallels making the women’s accounts even more convincing nonetheless. This is getting a big yikes from me. Knowing what he did "do to her" being similar to the stuff he's into with women he's abused makes it seem like he was kind of trying to do his thing with her when he saw his chance. Wonder if Avril is now feeling weirded out or if she ever even considered before he might have been trying something. Though given the fact she talked openly about him shaving her head for some "rocker cred" I think she's honestly never seen it as potentially problematic. Maybe that's indicative of the crazy spheres you can end up finding yourself in that stuff like that becomes touted as "cool" without a second thought. I also don't think she'd still wear a shirt of someone that (she knew) abused her so I'm just guessing/hoping nothing weirder than that happened.
To be honest I think it's kind of odd that now the age that Avril lost her virginity gets brought up in this thread. Is there nothing that Manson won't make creepy!!??
How in the hell did this go from Marilyn Manson's abuse to Avril's "Innocence?!"
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Post by chelseafaye on Feb 3, 2021 18:43:37 GMT
For the timing, for the fact Avril knew MM in that time and also because Avril was and still is the biggest name she worked with. In the early 2000s Avril was the biggest name, but she has penned for Britney, Christina, Kanye, P!nk, Drake, and has had potential runners for the movie La La Land. She’s a very in-demand writer, so Avril is definitely not her *only* one. CK just says how it is and she mentioned how others she knows defend and praise people too that she knows damn well are creeps. I’d love to hear some of her fly-on-the-wall stories. The Contagious thing was just silly, and Avril had even invited her to a party (birthday, I think?) after the UMS era to be be polite so there’s more to the falling out than we know. But this ain’t a CK topic, it’s for controversial figures. I hesitated to put that in this thread because I hate stirring the pot.
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Post by gabbox on Feb 3, 2021 19:58:17 GMT
For the timing, for the fact Avril knew MM in that time and also because Avril was and still is the biggest name she worked with. In the early 2000s Avril was the biggest name, but she has penned for Britney, Christina, Kanye, P!nk, Drake, and has had potential runners for the movie La La Land. She’s a very in-demand writer, so Avril is definitely not her *only* one. CK just says how it is and she mentioned how others she knows defend and praise people too that she knows damn well are creeps. I’d love to hear some of her fly-on-the-wall stories. The Contagious thing was just silly, and Avril had even invited her to a party (birthday, I think?) after the UMS era to be be polite so there’s more to the falling out than we know. But this ain’t a CK topic, it’s for controversial figures. I hesitated to put that in this thread because I hate stirring the pot. CK said she was pregnant that period when this young barely of age person went to MM hotel’s room. Can you please tell me if she was pregnant while working with Britney, Christina, Kanye, Pink and their age at the time so that we can easily find who CK was talking about? I didn’t know about these collabs, I thought Avril was her biggest, but if we cross the data of the age and of her pregnancy we can easily find out who CK was talking about
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Post by Underclass King on Feb 3, 2021 20:19:59 GMT
In the early 2000s Avril was the biggest name, but she has penned for Britney, Christina, Kanye, P!nk, Drake, and has had potential runners for the movie La La Land. She’s a very in-demand writer, so Avril is definitely not her *only* one. CK just says how it is and she mentioned how others she knows defend and praise people too that she knows damn well are creeps. I’d love to hear some of her fly-on-the-wall stories. The Contagious thing was just silly, and Avril had even invited her to a party (birthday, I think?) after the UMS era to be be polite so there’s more to the falling out than we know. But this ain’t a CK topic, it’s for controversial figures. I hesitated to put that in this thread because I hate stirring the pot. CK said she was pregnant that period when this young barely of age person went to MM hotel’s room. Can you please tell me if she was pregnant while working with Britney, Christina, Kanye, Pink and their age at the time so that we can easily find who CK was talking about? I didn’t know about these collabs, I thought Avril was her biggest, but if we cross the data of the age and of her pregnancy we can easily find out who CK was talking about Chantal penned "If I'm Dancing" on Britney's most recent album, which was released in 2016. She only worked with Christina in 2012 on Pitbull's "Feel This Moment". As for P!nk, I don't think she performed any songs Chantal wrote, but both of them wrote "Outside of You" for Hilary Duff's 2007 album. I'm not sure when Chantal was pregnant, but Britney, Christina, and P!nk were all in their late 20s/30s when they worked with her.
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Post by slapstick on Feb 3, 2021 20:27:08 GMT
No offense guys, I understand curiosity, especially when we're all cooped up in our homes, but I feel you're building one long-ass (or ass-long as a friend of mine would've said) rumour mill across this thread, and that thing can spread false stories of Avril's personal life across the internet fairly easily, and from there it isn't a long way to end up in The Sun or some similar rag media. I mean, imagine an Avril Lavigne fansite causing Avril headaches with even worse stories than Melissa Vandella thing for yellow media and the internet to run along with.
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Post by biggerwow on Feb 3, 2021 20:33:52 GMT
No offense guys, I understand curiosity, especially when we're all cooped up in our homes, but I feel you're building one long-ass (or ass-long as a friend of mine would've said) rumour mill across this thread, and that thing can spread false stories of Avril's personal life across the internet fairly easily, and from there it isn't a long way to end up in The Sun or some similar rag media. I mean, imagine an Avril Lavigne fansite causing Avril headaches with even worse stories than Melissa Vandella thing for yellow media and the internet to run along with. been wondering how to say it but you did it perfectly. Though I doubt it would reach media but you never know. Mellisa Vandella. Yes she worked with MM and had some close moments with him. But there's too much speculation going on here when no one knows anything. Only quotes here and there.
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Post by gabbox on Feb 3, 2021 20:40:03 GMT
Chantal, who is a public figure said what she said in a IG live with viewers form all over the world and the whole chat started thinking it was Avril. And we can't speculate on a forum as hardcore fans thinking it could reach media from Bandaids? come on let's be serious.
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